GH4 Panasonic GH5 coming in 2017

Vlog, sensor stabilization, no recording limit, sensor zooming and panning, 10bit 4:2:2, super slow motion, high dynamic range.... all fine and welcome but,

I hope that GH5 will show exposure information during video recording (iso, aperture and shutter speed), thanks.
 
6x6cm 16K 16,320 x 16,320 (16:9 16,320x9220)
with crop modes for
FF35 = 9792x6528 (16:9 9792x5532)
S35 = 6528x4352 (16:9 6528x3672)
no m43 mode because that would be silly
S16 = 16:9 3378x1904

16bit raw video with 24 stops of dynamic range from 1-10,000fps and ISO rating of 25-8million based on a graphite composite stacked sensor for full RGB photosites with R, G and B layers at proper distance for exact focus of each color.
All global shutter with a variable ND filter and variable OLPF based on liquid lens technology.
It records Lidar data at full resolution creating vector objects out of everything in the scene with the help of artificial intelligence to differentiate objects. It then maps the raster data to the 3D objects. In post you can separate all objects from each other allowing easy manipulation of individual objects and separation with distance for 3D without using a dual lens setup. Keying has never been easier or more perfect.

But they forgot to put a headphone jack on it.

That's all they told me.
 
There are rumors of the Olympus replacement of OM1 that will have 4K. The early claim is that the sensor readout is so fast that the rolling shutter effect is more or less negated.

Hypothetically, the quicker readout would also enable the dual exposure within the same frame, thereby giving out a superior dynamic range. Both Olympus and Panasonic buy their MFT sensors from Sony, although Panasonic does design and manufacture (?) some sensors on its own.
 
Panasonic released a statement that there will be production delays due to the Kumamoto earthquake.
 
Hopefully they can still create some working units for inspection and image samples just so the world can see what they are working up. I would think they would not let a huge photo show get by without grabbing some attention.
 
TheDingo said:
More likely delays in manufacturing the next model because Sony will be behind in delivering the sensor required to build each GH5 camera.
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Sony said they won't even make the "high functionality"* sensors for the third parties anymore. After which, they promptly took a ~ $250,000,000 write-off. I assume that meant that Nikon is in deep do-do because their higher end cameras depended entirely on Sony. Panasonic, at least, can make their own sensors.

*No exact definition of "high functionality" was given by Sony. I'd say it definitely includes the full frame sensors that went out to Pentax and Nikon. There's a certainty that it does not include the smartphone business, although people across the mobile land believe that even there they will have trouble coming up with sufficient production numbers for the new iPhone and that Apple is hedging its bets by buying from Samsung also. MFT is somewhere in the middle, so whether Sony will keep making them for Panasonic and Olympus (of which they still own a small share) or whether MFT is among the lines they're dumping is anyone's guess.
 
Rumors on another site suggest that this statement means only medium format sensors. As far as Apple goes, they constantly have backup supplies rolling, nothing new here.
 
I heard the GH5 sensor is the same as the GX80 sensor but with better and faster processing. so the sensor is already made.
 
Thomas Smet said:
I heard the GH5 sensor is the same as the GX80 sensor but with better and faster processing. so the sensor is already made.
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I read that too but I have my doubts about it being more than an opinion or a guess. Regardless of the design, we're talking about the production anyway.

Greg_E said:
Rumors on another site suggest that this statement means only medium format sensors. As far as Apple goes, they constantly have backup supplies rolling, nothing new here.
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Not enough money in the MF sensor business for them to write off $250M (3 billion yen). This was definitely related to a major production run.
 
My guess all along was that the GH5 would have a 16MP or less sensor (close to 4K with 16x9 AR). I was hoping it would very close to a having a global shutter with almost no rolling shutter. I know they are working on it, but I don't know how close they are.
8K and a global shutter seem like the targets for the Tokyo Olympics in 2020.
 
I would think the GH5 really needs to have amazing specs! Chances are high its announced in September and ships early 2017 but its really going to have to have some great tech to compete. The Sony system is really becoming an all around system with the a6300, a7s and the Fs5 and Fs7. You can have a A cam B cam and C cam that all shoot 4k and Slog. I am not a Sony fan but I can promise the next A7rii and A7sII will have great new tech in it even more so than right now. So my point is if they release a somewhat marginal upgrade and stay on a two year release cycle end of next year this camera will look really old compared to whats out there. So I really hope they have an amazing camera and some great upgrades. I have two of them and shoot on them all the time so I love the Gh series but I have been pretty temped to jump to Sony and a weak gh5 release would just help me jump faster.

I am not a pro here and this a rumor thread so just putting my non pro input in here :)
 
I have no actual experience with Sony. But everything I have encountered indicates that there's always some hangup, overheating, funky color, hard to work with in post, etc. With Panasonic, that is not true. It works right out of the box, and does what Panasonic claims. At the consumer level, the image as delivered is excellent. And at the professional level, adding an external recorder delivers reasonable, but not state-of-the-art images at a price no one else can come close to. So, I think there will be quite a few of us interested when the GH5 hits. For me, its 5-axis stabilization and 240 fps. (Actually, I'd settle for a really good 120fps.) The high-end professional stuff (10-bit 4-2-2 and wide DR) would be a bonus.
 
Honestly the GH5 doesn't have to be a beast vs. Sony. The high iso's are awesome, but in real world scenarios, you really only need clean video at iso 6400 which isn't a big stretch for m43 as the G7's 3200 iso is fairly impressive considering the cost.

IBIS is a given now that the GX85 has it, so that's the other thing vs. Sony but it's now taken care of.

Also now that m43 is more established, keep in mind Panasonic can still decide to make F2 zooms for under $2000. Sounds like a stretch, but they'd sell and it can be done, especially since sigma normalized it at under $1000 and on a larger sensor, so Pan/Oly can do it even easier on a smaller 4/3 sensor.
 
Psynema said:
The high iso's are awesome, but in real world scenarios, you really only need clean video at iso 6400 which isn't a big stretch for m43 as the G7's 3200 iso is fairly impressive considering the cost.
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To each his/her own, as they say. For me, sorry, but it makes a huge difference. As a matter of fact, I have so little faith in Panasonic coming up with anything that can do decently in low light, that I'm seriously looking to transition to Sony. It's just a drag, because I have so many lenses and adapters for m4/3 - and so I hope against hope that Panasonic will come up with enough clean low light capability in the GH5 to allow me to stay. I agree with the poster Curtis Mack - I love that when Panasonic comes out with a camera, it pretty much works out of the box, whereas with Sony there are always major gotchas and bugs which often persist and are never fixed so you have to wait for the next camera which in turn will have some other problem, sigh. I really wish I could stay with Panasonic for all these reasons. But the low light situation is absolutely killing me. Panasonic needs to step up majorly - I'm not expecting A7Sii levels of low-light performance, but I do expect a heck of a lot better than the GH4. Once the GH5 comes out, I'll make my move.
 
Curtis Mack said:
I have no actual experience with Sony. But everything I have encountered indicates that there's always some hangup, overheating, funky color, hard to work with in post, etc. With Panasonic, that is not true. It works right out of the box, and does what Panasonic claims.
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Well, I agree with most of what you say, except that Panasonic does seem to have a problem with most of their Mega OIS lenses suffering from micro-jitter issues. This doesn't affect everyone, like folks who shoot non-OIS lenses on tripods, but it does affect a lot of people. It seems like it would be something that they could fix, but how many generations of bodies and lenses have not resolved this issue yet?

Psynema said:
IBIS is a given now that the GX85 has it, so that's the other thing vs. Sony but it's now taken care of.
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Yikes! You may not want to set your espectations up for this because you may be disappointed! The fact that a camera that has a 30 minute video clip limit has IBIS does not necessarily mean that a camera with no time limit which is supposed to be more reliable for more heavy duty professional work will have it as well. The consensus seems to be that IBIS has the potential to cause overheating issues because the sensor cannot be mated to a large heat sink because of the movement. Because of that the Panasonic engineers could determine that the sensor would overheat too much if IBIS is combined with no time limit and decide to skipt it.

OldCorpse said:
But the low light situation is absolutely killing me. Panasonic needs to step up majorly - I'm not expecting A7Sii levels of low-light performance, but I do expect a heck of a lot better than the GH4. Once the GH5 comes out, I'll make my move.
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It seems that the only way that they can make significant improvements in low light from here on out without reducing resolution would be to employ BSI. I don't know that anyone except for Sony and Samsung have the technology for it. That means Panasonic would have to forgo their own sensors. It was said that Panasonic used Sony sensors for the GH3, but that apparently wasn't an entirely successful experiment (alias, moire, etc). Who knows what they'll choose to do, but I would also put this in the "don't get your hopes up" list.

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As for myself, at this point I'm expecting a slightly improved GX80/85 sensor (which supposedly already has the best colors of any Panasonic m43 camera so far), and after the latest rumors, a big improvement in processing power behind it. This could potentially bring benefits like 10 bit 4k, 422 color, H.265/HEVC, higher bitrates, etc. I haven't done the calculations to determine if the memory cards would be able to handle 10 bit 422 4k, but who knows what may be possible with more sophisticated compression.

So here are my expectation lists:

Realistic, but not guaranteed:
Slightly higher frame rates (120fps)
4k 10 bit 422 with H.265/HEVC
ProRes
Improved colors
Slightly improved low light
Slightly improved dynamic range
Slightly improved rolling shutter
Slightly improved usability features

Would be nice, but not expecting it:
Major improvements to low light
Fix micro-jitters
IBIS
240fps
Major new usability features, like good control of focus speed for rack focus, etc

Not gonna happen:
Global shutter
 
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After seeing the Autofocus Face Tracking that the new Canon 1DX Mark II can do, I feel that's the single biggest feature Panasonic should include in the GH5. In fact, I wouldn't really care if they don't upgrade ANYTHING ELSE, as long as they give me Face Tracking that works like the 1DXII.
 
Shenan said:
I haven't done the calculations to determine if the memory cards would be able to handle 10 bit 422 4k, but who knows what may be possible with more sophisticated compression.
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We now have SDXC UHS-II U3 cards with a write speed of 250 MB/sec ( 2,000 Mbps ) so h.265 compression with it's high processing power requirements may not be necessary. ( if the camera's processor is weighed down by a high compression CODEC then there are less processing cycles to run everything else )

I would be happy to buy new memory cards if the GH5 required it.
 
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