GH4 Panasonic GH5 coming in 2017

DLD said:
The BMD URSA (both 4K and 4.6K), as mentioned above, are the low price leaders in internal Raw.
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You probably mean 4K RAW, but the pocket and micro at $999 sit as the low price leaders for internal RAW. And some even say the BMPCC is the best camera BM ever made!
 
TheDingo said:
...If that's not the case, then why don't all cameras offer RAW sensor output ?
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The Japanese philosophy is about efficiency. I think they look at 8bit 4:2:0 the way they look at 1.8 liter engines in their cars. With great pride. It's small and efficient and saves on fuel (megabytes) and does what most consumers need. For the most part they are right. I think it's a game or competition to them to see how much image quality they can fit in that codec. They don't expect most of us to want to do with those cameras what we want to do with them. Then you have the American philosophy (RED/Panavision) which is about the muscle car. Dial it all to the extreme. In the middle are the Germans (ARRI) taking the best of both philosophies.
 
DLD said:
By the time GH5 shows on on store shelves, DVX 200 will be two years old. Also, these spec creeps are not smooth. Sometimes, it seems like all you're getting is a little more here and a little moire there; at other times; you get huge jumps like with GH4 over GH3. In the GH5 case, it'd be nice to get a stop greater ISO (due to the BSI), a stop or two higher DR (maybe due to a dual readout), higher quality HFR; higher bit rate recording, better audio, etc. All of those may be incremental steps but, overall, they'd amount to a superior package.

Of course, it'd also be cool if they put out an upscaled GH5 too, aka "GH7", with all the above tech + the internal Raw to the UFS cards + some other stuff.

Especially, if "some other stuff" just knocks your socks off.
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The G7 already is roughly a stop better than the GH4, I'm certain the GH5 will be at least a stop better than the GH4 in low light.

DLD said:
The BMD URSA (both 4K and 4.6K), as mentioned above, are the low price leaders in internal Raw. FS5 does Raw externally for about $8,000, combined with the cost of the external recorder. FS5, rather than URSA, should probably be the measuring stick in terms of the major manufacturer with a competitive feature set. If one expects a 30% price/quality break annually, then he might see a $4,000 4K camera that can have Raw via an SDI out by the end of this year.
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That is only if there is a steady improvement, sometimes developments go leaps and bounds or is stop and start.

So we might not see anything that is better value than the FS5 / UM4.6K for 4K raw this year, but... then in 12 months time see a US$2.5K camera that does it out of the blue.


DLD said:
For most GH5 shooters, a 10-bit 4:2:2 internal to a V60/90 rated SD card will be sufficient. My bet on whether the internal 10-bit happens or not is hedged at 50/50.
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Yup, big fingers crossed for 10bit 4K 60p internal in the GH5 with IBIS & full sensor read out! One can dream.
 
roxics said:
The Japanese philosophy is about efficiency. I think they look at 8bit 4:2:0 the way they look at 1.8 liter engines in their cars. With great pride. It's small and efficient and saves on fuel (megabytes) and does what most consumers need. For the most part they are right. I think it's a game or competition to them to see how much image quality they can fit in that codec. They don't expect most of us to want to do with those cameras what we want to do with them. Then you have the American philosophy (RED/Panavision) which is about the muscle car. Dial it all to the extreme. In the middle are the Germans (ARRI) taking the best of both philosophies.
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Very well put analogy!

Bassman2003 said:
Since RAW is a major part of the still world, I do not see it as a stretch to offer a RAW video stream if the speeds allow it. Everybody wants to jump to 4k but that can actually hold these cameras back right now. What if 1080p was offered in RAW? wouldn't that still be awesome? The 4k data load is so immense compared to 1080p.

The other issue with RAW is the lack of format and NLE infrastructure. Blackmagic had Resolve to read its DNG files. If Panasonic wanted to create RAW video, what format would that video be in? In the still world, each camera maker has its own RAW format and the software like Lightroom has to be able to read all of them. That just is not the case right now in the video world. It can and will change but it will be bit by bit over time.
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They could always just half side step and let somebody else handle the actual recording.... kinda like what happened with FSraw.

Bassman2003 said:
Regarding 10-bit: We all want it but I will kind of be surprised if it shows up. The makers just seem stingy with the bits as well as 4k being such a large amount of data to process. If the DVX200 does not have internal 10-bit at twice the price, how can you expect the GH5 to have it? I can see the line of quality/features within Panasonic between the AJ cameras and everything below. That line is moving but has always been there. But, if Panasonic never releases an AJ-PX430 then it starts to get muddy and look like they do not want to play ball. Because who are we kidding here? These small cameras create amazing images and with a little more data retention can be professional tools.
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DVX200 will be an old-ish camera by the time the GH5 ships, and it is aimed at a very different market (the GH5 will never get XLR inputs, though I hope they do better than the YAGH next time!!! Do something like Sony's XLR-K2M instead for the GH5 would be fantastic).
 
Yes, an XLR addon would be fine although maybe they could price it lower than Sony's $600 investment. (oh but you get a mic you don't want...)
 
The Japanese companies aren't necessarily as "stodgy" as one thinks. In the car business, Toyota/Lexus may be such but Honda/Acura and Nissan/Infinity have put out some fairly advanced models at reasonable price points. The difference in the camera biz is that the Japanese basically own it and that allows them to make some inside deals and introduce the new tech piecemeal. The automobile business is a different beast entirely, with the American, the German and the Korean companies forcing everyone to innovate or disappear.
 
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roxics said:
They don't expect most of us to want to do with those cameras what we want to do with them.
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They should start. Delivering a sub-$2K camera recording 10 bit 4:2:2, All-I, DCI spec video internally at up to 400 Mb/s (easily doable on a V60 or V90 card), they'd be the hands down market leader in this category.
 
That would be something...but I'm going to pretend that it's definitely not happening to avoid the disappointment.
 
Sounds like the writer of that article has fallen to a cultural nicety that has caused confusion in many business deals over the years.

A "smile and a nod" in a formal conversation with a Japanese party should usually be interpreted as "Yes, I am listening" rather than a confirmation. It is a prompt that tells the other person in the conversation to continue talking. So the conversation could easily be interpreted as this:

Person A) "One of the things we would like to see is 4K at 120fps..."
Person B) "Yes, keep talking, I am still listening even though you're making slightly outrageous requests,"

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120fps at 4k would be incredible. If not 60fps would be incredible as well. Better rolling shutter would be a plus, though admittedly the GH4's is already really good compared to a lot of SLRs.

I am happy with my GH4 for now though.
 
I don't think 4k 60p will be a problem at all for the GH5. The DVX200 can already do 4k 60p so a more modern sensor on the GH4 should likely be able to handle 4k 60p as well. 120p seems a bit of a stretch but I wouldn't exactly call it impossible. Panasonic has always done amazing things with getting their sensors to readout very fast without causing the cameras to explode or melt.
 
4k at 60fps has got to be on the cards, they released a camcorder pretty much a few months after the GH4 release but with 2 of the CPUs to get 60fps didn't they?
 
There's a store in Croydon (Greater London area) that has a GH4 on its shelf with a big "clearance" sign. (photo on 43Rumors)

IMO, this does point to the PhotoKina announcement in September, with the shipping commencing in Q1 2017 (due to the production delays caused by the Kumamoto earthquake). Panasonic has manufactured a lot of GH4's and one has to assume that some stores have more of them than others and find it necessary to clear out the model before the announcement and the subsequent discounts. The implication, by reading tea leaves, is that GH5 is a pretty major step forward.
 
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