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The footage looks phenomenal!!! I've played it both on my G5 with 23" Cinema Display and my 15" G4 PowerBook and it looks great on both. Of course I can't see the entire image on my PowerBook, it's too big. (I wont mention my opinion of PCs.)

I've also posted the footage (and other clips and stills) on my web site for the viewing. http://cinemagraphica.com/Red/

Red, it'll change the way we do what we love.
 
On the subject of the 'stutter' people have previously referred to, I am currently in my edit suite looking at the footage variously on a Panasonic 17" CRT HD-SDI broadcast monitor, a 23" Apple Cinema Display, and a 37" consumer LCD HDTV, and I have to say it looks great on all of them. The only stutter I can see is exactly what I'd expect from a trully film-like progressive image.

This 'imperfection' of film is what we all spend huge amounts of time and effort trying to emulate with video originated footage. Now it's there for real people are complaining!

I've cut the footage up against some Super 16 and Super 35 originated shots I have in my system, and the stutter on all three is very comparable.

If anybody else is seeing something different to what I'm seeing, please point it out to me.

Nick
 
Yeah but how is the audio? **Just joking***!!!

Holy smokes! all kidding aside, when do the next pre-order reservations become available?
 
Nick_Shaw said:
On the subject of the 'stutter' people have previously referred to, I am currently in my edit suite looking at the footage variously on a Panasonic 17" CRT HD-SDI broadcast monitor, a 23" Apple Cinema Display, and a 37" consumer LCD HDTV, and I have to say it looks great on all of them. The only stutter I can see is exactly what I'd expect from a trully film-like progressive image.

This 'imperfection' of film is what we all spend huge amounts of time and effort trying to emulate with video originated footage. Now it's there for real people are complaining!

I've cut the footage up against some Super 16 and Super 35 originated shots I have in my system, and the stutter on all three is very comparable.

If anybody else is seeing something different to what I'm seeing, please point it out to me.

Nick
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Nick, you are in the enviable position of having access to film originated shots to compare to. I'm not complaining, I'm just looking for an explanation. It could be as simple as not being in tune with the progressive stutter and being to close to the screen, or something going on with the compression of the clip. I'm open to all opinions.
 
I took the .mov and re-encoded to a high bitrate HD mpeg in Vegas, put it on an ultra III compact flash card to play from my PS3 then projected it in 1080p to a 110" screen.

WOW.

It's weird though, blown up it looks like a green screen shot...
 
Kaz said:
It's weird though, blown up it looks like a green screen shot...
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With the Motion JPEG compression detecting that the background isn't moving (much) it's compressed it to be a relatively non-moving object, or more like a still picture, which makes the foreground action appear detatched or alien to the location behind.
 
Jarred - I have this dim ghostly memory of PhotoJPEG codec - 75% is the threshold at which is does or is about to go to 4:4:4 from 4:2:2 or something like that - it is a threshold setting if I recall correctly. Anybody confirm or can test? What is you kick it out at 76%?
 
_MR_ said:
With the Motion JPEG compression detecting that the background isn't moving (much) it's compressed it to be a relatively non-moving object, or more like a still picture, which makes the foreground action appear detatched or alien to the location behind.
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Motion JPEG is an intra-frame compression format (effectively pretty similar to I-frame only MPEG-2) and as such should not be affected by whether part of the picture is moving or not.

Kaz, the MPEG that you made of course is inter-frame compressed, and therefore this could be causing the 'chromakey look' which you are describing.

As I understand it (and anybody please jump in if I am wrong here) Motion JPEG is a variant of JPEG intended for dealing with interlaced footage. I'm therefore a bit confused as to why the footage has been compressed with this rather than ordinary JPEG. I would also prefer to have JPEG for selfish reasons in that it would play back without the need for conversion in FCP via my Decklink HD Pro card.

Nick
 
MikeCurtis said:
Jarred - I have this dim ghostly memory of PhotoJPEG codec - 75% is the threshold at which is does or is about to go to 4:4:4 from 4:2:2 or something like that
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I had the same memory, and I thought I read it in some Decklink documentation. A bit of searching, and I found this:

http://www.decklink.com/support/detail.asp?techID=29

That certainly implies that 76% would do it!

Jarred, are you in a position to post a new version?

Nick
 
May GOD be with everybody with a reservation... I hope everything works out when your # is called.... BUT IF NOT... LET ME KNOW $$$$!!! I'm sure if it came to tat for a reservation holder it won't be nice, but one can take comfort in the fact that i'm not just jump"n on the waggon, I just didn't have the info before the time expired.... OR, RED GUYS, OPEN THE RESERVATIONS BACK UP FOR A FEW MORE!!!!!!
 
How is everyone going playing this file back smoothly? There has been talk about chip speeds but what i have found is its just as important as having alot of ram! If you have a conroe it will play fine as long as you have 2gb of ram....
 
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How is everyone going playing this file back smoothly? There has been talk about chip speeds but what i have found is its just as important as having alot of ram! If you have a conroe it will play fine as long as you have 2gb of ram....
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Well, it's playing back perfectly on my 3 year old Dual 2GHz G5 (Rev. A) Power Mac with only 1GB of RAM. Smooth as butter on Quicktime Pro.
 
theworks said:
RED GUYS, OPEN THE RESERVATIONS BACK UP FOR A FEW MORE!!!!!!
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They will, they will. Wait for the next February/March...maximum April: Jim's own words.

Jannard said:
(...) I'd wait until we start taking orders again in Feb or March. (...) there is no crime in waiting.

Jim
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http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=745977&postcount=3


Jannard said:
All details will unfold the next few months... no new orders will be taken until next year (maybe March or April).

Jim
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http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=752831&postcount=2
 
i... dont know what to say

that was compressed, 1080, not even 2 k, not even 4 k
but holly ****ING HELL does thatl ook AMAZING!!!!!!!!!

makes my dvx look shameful...
 
Just wanted to post some color correction that i did with the footage.
I'm confused to why they would post a flat non saturated image of from the camera.
just my opinion.

Here you go.

milkgirlsCC.tiff


Sponester
 
sponester said:
Just wanted to post some color correction that i did with the footage.
I'm confused to why they would post a flat non saturated image of from the camera.
just my opinion.

Sponester
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That is clean footage with a relatively wide dynamic range... so it can be pushed and pulled in any direction in post. The correcting you did pushed it way to far into the red for my tastes and I would have sharpened it more... and with that footage we both can take it where we want. If the look hasn't been finalized before principal photography starts then what we see here is pretty much what I'll be setting the camera to capture.
 
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