Differences between Canon 5D + 7D - IQ and look
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Ian-T
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I've always thought this myself.
Rakesh Jacob
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I always thought it looked peachy... not in the good way but literaly 
Other than that though... WOW, especially considering the cost and the options
Other than that though... WOW, especially considering the cost and the options
Uwe Lansing
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I know, there is no accounting for taste. I suppose you´ll have a whole range of settings inside the camera to manipulate the look + colors. This is an example with saturation +2:
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Rakesh Jacob
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Ian-T
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Me personally, I like to over saturate the image while shooting and then having the option to dial it down in post. Since we are starting to see much higher data rates and better ways of compression in these codecs it’s not like the old days where this method would produce banding issues etc.
Skin tone is a little plasticy
seriously some one is dressing that thing up doing it's make up and fixing it's hair, posing it... I don't like to judge but it's creeping me out on a primal level, I'm sure it's innocent... probably...
Yes, also tends to make people look lifeless. These cameras suck.
Uwe Lansing
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Skin tone is a little plasticy
Haha..., don´t get me wrong - this is not what i like. Only to show what is possible if "someone" want it...
Um...ok...how about "tweak?"
@Nik: I agree.
yeah i can live with that :beer:
The colors from Dublin's people are just great and so are the ones from sophia's people. There's a bit more resolution with the 5d and also a more tan perhaps .
I still think the 5d produces better videoimages but that could be just personal taste. Afterall it's all about the glass .
I want to wait until I have a camera in my hands to judge, but it does look as though the MKii produces a better image. I didn't think there would be that much of a difference because of the compression, but there might just be enough to call it so.
Again, we'll see. But at least it's got everything else.
Again, we'll see. But at least it's got everything else.
Rakesh Jacob
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LOL Perfect!
I agree, the 5D2 seems better in overall IQ and just general textural quality, it just produces a richer looking image to me. I know it's early but there's been enough to establish that much I think. But as a usable camera, the 7D is pretty sweet! And as soon as Panny gets over their codec hump, they've got so much going for their line in terms of features and usability as well, COLOR ME EXCITED :grin:
squig
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I've found the MKII to be slightly lacking in the blue channel and I've been meaning to create a custom profile and push the blue, so the 7D could be just right. The major problem I have with the MKII is dropped frames on slow pans, if this has been fixed my MKII is getting replaced. I wouldn't worry too much about the colors, photographers wouldn't touch it if the colors were off.
Uwe Lansing
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What makes you think so? I for one am not sure. So far i haven´t seen any aliasing, skew, crushing blacks... as with the 5DII. Lowlight ability + amount of noise (no noise) seems pretty much the same to me...
Ian-T
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From the footage I've seen so far I think the images between the two cams look similar. I don't see the aliasing in the 7D however. But the low light in the 5D might still end up being a tad better than the 7D.
Also, it's like I said before, if the 5Dll had 24p it's image wouldn't be as crisp as it currently is. It's like that with any camera. 24p vs 30p vs 60p/60i...they will all look different. Starting with 24p the image will (and should) get more crisp the more you go up the ladder. So if we want to compare the image of the 7D with the 5Dll we should probably compare both of their 30p footage with one another. IMO
Also, it's like I said before, if the 5Dll had 24p it's image wouldn't be as crisp as it currently is. It's like that with any camera. 24p vs 30p vs 60p/60i...they will all look different. Starting with 24p the image will (and should) get more crisp the more you go up the ladder. So if we want to compare the image of the 7D with the 5Dll we should probably compare both of their 30p footage with one another. IMO
Uwe Lansing
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Right you are. I´d say that perhaps the 7d might be the better camera in many ways. And the rest will be nearly on par with the 5d. But, yes, its still too early - the jury is still out. We have to wait for more telling test footage...
After downloading Phillips uncompressed file I feel better. I really haven't commented on the image, especially positively, because frankly I was just as underwhelmed as a few other people.
Phillip's raw sample doesn't put me TOTALLY at ease, but it's a lot closer to MKii footage than I initially projected. Not exacts, and certainly not as fine to my eyes but I believe close enough.
What does still bother me is the chroma noise I'm seeing. I hope that it's a product of Phillip using off ISO's like 400 or 800. I'm pretty sure the 160 incremental carries over to the 7D, so I suspect that using 160, 320, 640 will be the areas to sit in.
On the 720 image... the aliasing is unfriendly. It'll be a "used sparingly" deal, anything that doesn't have straight lines or curves (vehicles especially). In the end, it may be better to shoot 1080/24 at a higher shutter speed and just half-speed it on the timeline or Twixtor. Not the same results, but you do what you can.
Phillip's raw sample doesn't put me TOTALLY at ease, but it's a lot closer to MKii footage than I initially projected. Not exacts, and certainly not as fine to my eyes but I believe close enough.
What does still bother me is the chroma noise I'm seeing. I hope that it's a product of Phillip using off ISO's like 400 or 800. I'm pretty sure the 160 incremental carries over to the 7D, so I suspect that using 160, 320, 640 will be the areas to sit in.
On the 720 image... the aliasing is unfriendly. It'll be a "used sparingly" deal, anything that doesn't have straight lines or curves (vehicles especially). In the end, it may be better to shoot 1080/24 at a higher shutter speed and just half-speed it on the timeline or Twixtor. Not the same results, but you do what you can.
I've had orange cast with the MKII (in dim light) as well.
squig
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Shooting with standard picture control setting?
Don't you think that a lot of these coloration issues are due to the fact that much of this stuff that people are shooting with these cameras are not "lit"?
For example, you will get an orange cast to your footage if your in dim house (tungsten) lighting or sodium vapor street light or...
A lot of the blue color fringing may be due to uknown street sources, a lot of mixed ambient lighting situations will give you all kinds of color spikes.
Under controlled HMI/Kino flo/tungsten lighting I bet a lot of these coloration problems will be under uh... control.
For example, you will get an orange cast to your footage if your in dim house (tungsten) lighting or sodium vapor street light or...
A lot of the blue color fringing may be due to uknown street sources, a lot of mixed ambient lighting situations will give you all kinds of color spikes.
Under controlled HMI/Kino flo/tungsten lighting I bet a lot of these coloration problems will be under uh... control.