New Sony HDV 1080i

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Especially because most people just flat out don't care. When was the last time you heard ANYBODY complain that everything they've ever seen on TV isn't high enough quality. To the average consumer, if he can *see* what's happening, it's good enough for him.
 
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I cannot believe the amount of complainers and ranters regarding this camera. People, for a mere $3700 (most likely $3300) you will be able to afford a 1080i camera that will allow you to record that wonderful wide screen superb resolution! This is a dream come true ever since I saw my first high def camera (Ikegami) and Monitor at a 1988 Video expo in NYC's Javitz center, 16 years ago!. In a couple of months I will have the opportunity to have this power at my very own home. Jeez, tough crowd, indeed! :o
 
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Keep in mind the HD Ikegami you saw is not HDV. This camera isn't yet proven. I've only heard from one person who's shoot any footage. They compared it to the Canon xl2 and our beloved DVX100. The results were not anything that'll make me give up my DVX. Statements like "better then the XL2 but just slightly better picture then the DVX100". "In low light conditions the picture was of the same quality as the DVX100".
So at this point I'm still waiting to see for myself before making any judgement. If all I'm going to gain is a slightly sharper picture, but I have to give up my ability to manipulate the blacks and frame rate, you can keep your HDV 1080i. I hope this is just the tip of the iceberg of many new cameras, with much better performance.
As to why HD over SD, why DVD over VCD, why cassette over 8track. Its an evolution in video, not a revolution. I think it'll take time, but the higher resolution will win over lower resolution, though it may not be HDV.

JMHO
Gopher
 
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@ Gopher

When you said that it was "better then the XL2 but just slightly better picture then the DVX100" you forgot to mention that he was talking about the SD mode of the FX1 not HD, he said he didnt have enough time to test out out the HD mode. Go over to :

www.sonyhdvinfo.com
 
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That footage looks pretty sweet. It'll be really interesting to see some footage in motion. Exciting stuff.
 
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wow, it does look really good.. too bad i wasnt over by the sony building that day, i could've conked him on the head, and done some serious testing with the cam.. just kidding of course.. i woul've choked him out.. ;) hmmm.. maybe i should get a job there...

anyway it looks great.. once the filmmaking oriented compaines (panasonic, canon..im rooting for panasonic) start making these things with 24p, and other needed features(like complete NLE support). ill be packing one into my bag.. and the DVX will have to take a back seat. I was really impressed with the imagery - no artifacts that i could see without scrutinizing the clip even on this web compressed version.
 
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Wow, that does look really nice...

I'd love to be able to shoot it side by side with my DVX, and see the results!
 
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thats weird can someone confirm that was a PAL version?

if so how comes their is no mention of it in the sony web pages OR did i miss something?
(just downloading the clip now!)

P.S a PAL version should make film out that little more easier :)
 
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"24p is only that way in the theater"

Are you saying that footage shot in 24p looks identical on DVD or TV set when compared to 30 and 60p?

I thought this was a common misunderstanding. I thought that when we convert to 30 or higher, which may be in hardware or software, frames are added, but the same "delay", you might say, exists in the final view. Therefore 24p does make a difference... Am I confused? :)

-Jerry
 
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Not sure I follow you, or the discussion... but...

24P gets transferred to 60i videotape. So does film. So shooting 24P (and with the DVX recording it to tape as 60i) it will look like film looks after film has been transferred to video. It will look nothing like 60i video.

30P is about halfway in-between. It looks filmish, but a lot more video-like than 24P does.

Yes, 24P makes a huge difference, and no you're not confused.
 
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quote from a review on the cnet webiste

"Thumbs "Bye Bye Canon XL2 !!!"
Digital Monkey on 11-Sep-2004 11:30:44 PM
Pros: HD from the coolest company around. We all thought the new Canon XL2 was going HD, what a disapointment! Sony didn't let us down, Arigato Sony! Home porn never looked better. And now we have a real use for editing with Final Cut HD. Great price too..."

I love the "Home porn never looked better." line.

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_HDR-FX1/4505-6500_7-31085889.html?tag=cnetfd.sd
 
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Barry,

Regarding the 24p discussion. Yea, I thought so, but I hear the argument once in a while (like someone mentioned here) that it's turned into 60i anyway, so filming in 24p doesn't matter...(unless you go to film.)
(I'm referring to J_Barnes comment on the last page)
-Jerry
 
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[quote author=gcaus link=board=XL2;num=1094548720;start=90#96 date=09/14/04 at 16:47:21]Barry,

Regarding the 24p discussion. Yea, I thought so, but I hear the argument once in a while (like someone mentioned here) that it's turned into 60i anyway, so filming in 24p doesn't matter...(unless you go to film.)
(I'm referring to J_Barnes comment on the last page)
-Jerry[/quote]
I just cannot comprehend that argument. I see people saying it, but I can't fathom what they mean. I mean, all one has to do is LOOK AT THE FOOTAGE.  They look nothing alike.  It makes a HUGE difference whether you shot in 24P or not.

I mean, that's like saying "don't bother shooting film, because it'll just get transferred to video, so you might as well just shoot video."  Uh... look at the footage...
 
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Maybe there is just some MAJOR confusion over the actuall pull down thing. The footage is shot at 24fps but it's stored in a 60i format using pulldown. Your capture software works that **** out and it's 24.

And yeah there is no way they look the same.
 
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