New Sony HDV 1080i

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You don't need XLR for film. You need DAT or higher equipment.

I'm a little bit confused now. It's not more than a couple af years when we got the field rendering in 3D software. They had motion blur and DOF controll all the time but we wanted the field rendering (interlace). And now we want motion blur more than ever.
 
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..theres really no need for a DAT or other sepreate audio system when the video cam is capable of recording a high quality audio signal which is locked (essentially) to the video.

film cameras do not have this ability.. most video cams do.. its really just a digital audio recorder built into the camera.. also saves synching time.

DAT is an aging technology . its all going straight digital now.
 
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there were a couple of film systems that recorded sound on picture, but the problem was that the sound was usually a couple of feet off from the picture associated with it, making for some impossible edits.
 
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Even Super8 was that way -- picture preceded sound by 18 frames, IIRC. You'd have a 2/3 second audio glitch when you cut the film...
 
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I have a super 8 cam with audio. I should try that out. Btw, I think it records in 18fps meaning a full second of difference.
 
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DAT is digital. Jeg bruker MD sometimes. If you have a god audio spor than yes you can recod the sound with your camcorder. I have a Sony and the sound isn't perfect.
 
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[quote author=Mike_Donis link=board=XL2;num=1094548720;start=30#35 date=09/07/04 at 11:10:28]Just watch though - they'll soon have a forty eight megapixel, 70mm CCD 4:4:4 UD (ultra definition) camera with more dynamic range and resolution than IMAX film does today!  ::)[/quote]

And still, in the end, it will come down to talent...always. ;)
 
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The thing that I don't get is that if this camera is meant for consumers, and not prosumers, then that can only mean shaky hand held home videos. And shaky hand held home videos on a huge HD screen = 1 major case of motion sickness. I still think Sony messed up by not making this an XL2 or DVX100 (ie, prosumer) type of camera. But of course, Sony is hell bent on splitting the market up between consumer and professional as much as possible.
 
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I think Sony is following the line they have started with PD150, VX2000. The Sony HDV is replacing those camcorders. You can use it to make what ever you like but the main line is news, travel etc.

"then that can only mean shaky hand held home videos" - tv crue in Irak made some shaky hand held videos.
 
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If that the case that HDV cam is going to replace the vx2100 and pd170 then sony is leaving a big gap in the prosumer market. I think DV is compressed to much and it aint gonna be better with the HDV standard.
 
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[quote author=MovieSwede link=board=XL2;num=1094548720;start=45#52 date=09/08/04 at 03:46:59]If that the case that HDV cam is going to replace the vx2100 and pd170 then sony is leaving a big gap in the prosumer market. I think DV is compressed to much and it aint gonna be better with the HDV standard.[/quote]
You think DV is compressed too much? Better stay away from this new Sony cam and it's mediocre mid-level bitrate MPEG-2 encoding.

This camera could be revolutionary, but to cram HD resolution on standard MiniDV tapes meant having to cut corners somewhere. Obviously none of us have seen footage from this thing yet, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
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"DAT is digital." ..LOL, doh! i know this.. im not sure what i meant before when i said "its all going straight digital now" I think I was thinking of film cameras, and them not having digital audio which is in some form digitally locked to the picture..

but yeah, you get my point. :P
 
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I have to wonder about this move buy sony. It would look like that this camera is a better perfomer than the pd-170, at least on paper. And I beleive that there are way to many pro features on this camera to call it a consumer model. And is they did release a pro version, 3 grand more would not justify the price for a progressive mode and XLR inputs.

I am sorry, but when I think about someone like my father trying to adjust the shutter speed, iris, and white balance, chills run down my back. Why not just add progressive 24p mode and dominate the market. And 3700 dollars is not in the consumer range. I think the canon upconverted to 1080i will look just as good as this camera when you get the the artifacts produced my the mpeg compression.

I don't know. I remeber when it was taboo to think of DV and broadcast quality. Mabey this is the way to go....or mabey we are like cattle being lined up for the sloughter. Take what they give us and make do.

God, I can not get over the fact that just a little extra code in this thing could have made it 24p. Of course when sony does release the pro version for 7 grand, we will have to justify it for the 24p, 30p. I just hope to god they leave mpeg 2 and go to h.264 instead. That would give 2 - 4 times the quality at the same bitrate they encode to mpeg2 on the hdv cameras. If it had h.264, it would be considered a pro camera in my mind. Just convert the 60i to 24p, and with no compression artifacts due to the amazing quality of h.264....hell, it would be the best damn camea on the market.

Just my rant.....
 
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I'm guessing, and only guessing, That when this went to development the engineers had to decide how to compress the video stream to put it on DV tape. The h.264 or MPEG 4 format probably was an approved standard, and definetly not a main stream to base a product on.

I agree the most discocerting issue of these specs is the MPEG-2 compression. I wonder if you can record the raw video to HD before its compressed?

Even with the MPEG-2 compression looks like it'll be a wedding videographers dream come true, if it handles low light situation
 
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..as far as compression goes its getting better all the time.. the developers understand that its not really about finding a way to store and transfer huge amounts of data efficiently.. its about making the hyge amounts of data smaller efficiently. since the www everything is streaming and compressed and such.. instead of building mega huge piplines to transfer copius amounts of data.. now the same thinking is going into cameras and the way they handle data.. check out new compression technology like "prospect HD" (www.prospecthd.com) which can convert uncompressed HD from SDI in real time(also works with HDV) to a virtually lossless format which can be edited at very digestable data rates. and then output at full res  HD.. still virtually visably lossless in quality. .. pretty cool stuff. that means you could edit the uncomressed HD SDI output from a cinealta, or viper filmstream on your home pc with adobe premiere pro in realtime.     .. im crossing my fingers that panasonic or cannon will jump on board with newer technology lsuch as this.
 
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All HDV is MPEG-2.  Any talk of any other format (h.264 etc) is wasted when referring to HDV.  If you are talking about HDV, you're talking MPEG-2.  If you want some other compression format used, you're talking about something that will not be HDV.  Perhaps Panasonic, by so far abstaining from the HDV coalition, will develop their own format, and if so they would be free to choose their own compression system. Maybe that's why they refrained from HDV? Could be quite interesting, but then it'd be "nonstandard"... of course, there's always the chance that HDV will go the way of MicroMV, Digital8, and all the other failed "standards" that Sony has pushed, so... time will tell...
 
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