New Sony HDV 1080i

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[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=XL2;num=1094548720;start=90#98 date=09/14/04 at 22:06:41]
I just cannot comprehend that argument.  I see people saying it, but I can't fathom what they mean.  I mean, all one has to do is LOOK AT THE FOOTAGE.  They look nothing alike.  It makes a HUGE difference whether you shot in 24P or not.
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I've heard the argument many times, but only by people who fall into two camps:

1) They've never, ever seen DVX 24p footage;

2) They're trying to justify not using/buying the DVX.

Or, of course, both.
 
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Ok, what are the supposed specs of the Pro version of the Sony cam?

24P?
720p?


Peace
 
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simple short answer, we just dont know yet!
15th October seems far from now, and this information drip feed is so so cruel.... i feel likea crackhead waiting for the next *hit* ;D
 
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"1) They've never, ever seen DVX 24p footage;

2) They're trying to justify not using/buying the DVX.

Or, of course, both. "

..i have to add a #3 to this list, which is :


3) they simply have no idea what they are talking about, but for some reason their brain cannot tell their mouth to stop talking as it digs them into a knowledge pit which they then fortify and defend with a worthless and desperate case come hell or high water for fear of embarrassement, or humiliation due to thier lack of knowledge being publically made known by someone simply telling them they have no idea what they are talking about.
 
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[quote author=iamloser link=board=XL2;num=1094548720;start=90#103 date=09/15/04 at 10:02:46]"
3) they simply have no idea what they are talking about, but for some reason their brain cannot tell their mouth to stop talking as it digs them into a knowledge pit which they then fortify and defend with a worthless and desperate case come hell or high water for fear of embarrassement, or humiliation due to thier lack of knowledge being publically made known by someone simply telling them they have no idea what they are talking about.[/quote]

That was harsh but I have to agree with you. Well said, too, by the way. :D
 
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..i have harsh tendancies. my mothers name is brillo pad. ..i think my father is some sort of rock monster :P

nah.., I know im being a bit rugged there, but you guys know what i talking about.. as you sit there and listen to someone tell you why "their PD170 makes a better filmout than a DVX anyday" and such.. and you just stand there quietly with a blank look on your face trying to comprehend a sensitive way to explain to them that they are severely mis-educated.. but nothing comes to mind.. and after listening for a while, you decide that its best to just smile and nod and leave them in their dillusion because you dont even want to spend the time and try to educate them when you have this deep gut feeling that the words will only enter their mind and somehow trigger an explosion of frothy mouthed mindless blather touting why "you just dont understand"

..uh.. im getting harsh again arent i.. :-/ .. maybe i have issues with this or something? i dont know.. but it seems to lead me down to harshy town :P
 
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[quote author=iamloser link=board=XL2;num=1094548720;start=105#105 date=09/15/04 at 10:44:20]
nah.., I know im being a bit rugged there, but you guys know what i talking about.. as you sit there and listen to someone tell you why  "their PD170 makes a better filmout than a DVX anyday" and such.. and you just stand there quietly with a blank look on your face trying to comprehend a sensitive way to explain to them that they are severely mis-educated.. but nothing comes to mind.. and after listening for a while, you decide that its best to just smile and nod and leave them in their dillusion because you dont even want to spend the time and try to educate them when you have this deep gut feeling that the words will only  enter their mind and somehow trigger an explosion of frothy mouthed mindless blather touting why "you just dont understand" [/quote]

Man, that perfectly describes the situation in many discussion areas outside of video . . .
 
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Neil, be harsh all you want. It's just the plain truth. I dare anyone with a PD-170 to go shoot anything as good as "Soldier". Can't be done with the PD-170.
 
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IAL has summed it up. Man, I love my DVX100. Best purchasing decision I ever made. And dont worry about being harsh. Truth hurts.
 
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[quote author=Solaam link=board=XL2;num=1094548720;start=90#101 date=09/15/04 at 08:18:59]Ok, what are the supposed specs of the Pro version of the Sony cam?

24P?
720p?


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No "P". The Sony pro version will almost definitely not have any form of progressive scan, given Sony's attitude about it. But, we shall see in 1Q 2005!
 
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I have a freind who is hell bent on this camera. He just bouighta Samsung HDtv surround sound etc, and is a film major. Now wouldnt you think a film major would know better than to wait a year and see what the next Hd model would be????

I dunno, i personally wouldnt touch HDV for a while till the bugs get worked out or competition starts forcing manufacturers to put more on the cam for less. This is because i USED to be a cutting edge technology guy, until my super expensive thingimabob was out classed and out priced within a year, and i felt stupid. *Cough* TRV-70 *cough*
 
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Anyone out there no the exchange rate right now.

http://www.sonystyle.ca/commerce/se...oductId=1000282

Sorry I always test the link afterwards and it gives me an error code now.  Basically it list the camera for like $4,995.  So would that make it around $4,000 for the US. I'm not sure what the exchange rate is right now.

This came from a Sony web page for Canada.
 
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The Vegas team released some demo footage from the PAL version of the HDVcamera being used for demos at IBC. Downconverted in Vegas to 720p WMV9 @ 5 Mb/Sec and it looks pretty stunning. I've further downconverted to DV25 onto MiniDV and it stills holds up just fine. Also tried rendering to QT 720 and on a Mac again it looks stunning.
Several things to note, it's a very good Sony version of the DVX100, manual everything and good control layout. This is a huge departure from Sony's recent dumbing down of the product line. Obviously they've been hurt big time by the DVX100 but they deserve credit for taking notice.
What's also been overlooked is this camera also shoots plain old DV25 as well as HDV. But it shoots true 16:9 without a hunk of glass on the front. For that alone it deserves serious consideration. Bear in mind it's cheaper than a PD 170.
On the HDV side, the biggest issue will be how well the format can be made to cope with motion, nothing in the demo footage is moving fast so I cannot comment on that.
As to when it'll be available, well there's a couple in Australia already, love it or hate it HDV is here and we'll all need to come to grips with it. Sony plan to release HDV decks soon. I suspect it's only a matter of time before networks will accept content on HDV.
 
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This would be a good time to read up on some of the adventures that the early-bird adoptors (ala JVC HD1/10U) guys have had. They already have HDV experiance so they would be best people to ask!

Panny's gota do SOMETHING,
fisrt the kick in the nuts with the XL2 now the slap in the Face with the FX1. Why are they so quite?
 
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[quote author=robroysyd link=board=XL2;num=1094548720;start=105#113 date=09/17/04 at 07:51:00]Several things to note, it's a very good Sony version of the DVX100, manual everything and good control layout. This is a huge departure from Sony's recent dumbing down of the product line. Obviously they've been hurt big time by the DVX100 but they deserve credit for taking notice.
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I really agree with the manual controls and lense selection being akin to the DVX, and better in some aspects, and i really love how they set it up like that.. zoom in focus feature and all is a big improovment..is really nice.. but some important things to note that separate it from the DVX are:

#1: it has no true 24p.. VERY VERY BIG DIFFERENCE!
in order to get 24p youd have to stutter it from a 60i timeline, and dump 1/2 resolution ..resolution wise your still doing ok to convert to progressive for TV and small format stuff but for a filmout.. theres no point to gain 2x resolution just to dump 1/2 of it again, and get untrue and stuttered 24p playback.. the DVX IMHO still has a sharp edge in this catagory for serious filmakers aimed at the big screen. but motion rendering wise your not really getting all you deserve there.. future HDV cams are already slated WITH true 24p meaning REAL 24p in HD res.. then ill be purchasing for sure.

#2: the cinegamma and matix functions would need to match the beautiful image of the DVX in order for me to constitute saying it is the same as a dvx.. the xl2 can match all the functions of the DVX but i have yet to see the filmlike imagery, and asthetics match the DVX right out of the camera.

I really like alot of the stuff on the new sony, and think its a truely great advance for us , but i theres alot of things that need to be looked over before it could claim to be "a good version of the DVX100" ;) . the DVX has lot of things about it which really make it stand out amongst the crowd.. its not just haveing a same or similar feature that makes it compete.. its how the well ad professionally the features actually work, and how easy and professional they are to use as well. Im not saying the DVX is better by any means.. but simply by not having the 2 features listed above the sony would be a blah replacement for the DVX in alot of film related applications. for NTSC or PAL video stuff its one heck of a kick butt cam though!
 
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$18 per tape is huge.

"Sony HD DVC media utilizes a new, second-generation Advanced Metal Evaporated (AME II) technology, as well as improved quality control processes. The result is an improved drop-out rate, which translates into significantly higher reliability and audio/video stability, as well as a lower carrier-to-noise ratio for lower error rates, greater output and less noise during recording.

Sony HD DVC tape will be offered in the 63-minute professional tape length, which allows three minutes for recording tests. The tape will be available next month for about $18 per cassette."
 
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.. it really makes one consider a HDD or DTD alot more if they havent already. panasonic may possibly just throw in the P2 slot alongside the tape mech..

..fingers crossed.
 
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You can still use your miniDV cassettes. There's propably no need to buy the expensive HDV cassettes. They might really be better, but the HDV format was designed to use normal miniDV cassettes, so it shouldn't be a problem. The 18$ will propably come down in a few years IF the HDV is the format that catches on.

I presume that Panasonic is going to get rid of tape once and for all. P2 might be the only media to record on the new HD-Pana. And propably the price of P2 cards will come down, and hopefully there will be an 8 GB P2 card next year, and something like 16 GB after that. I think this is the only right way to go. (But in the mean time, I'm still bying the XL2, because it's here now.) Others will propably follow Panasonics lead in something like 2007... And Canon in 2010!
 
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[quote author=Anhar_Miah link=board=XL2;num=1094548720;start=105#114 date=09/17/04 at 08:11:31]Panny's gota do SOMETHING,
fisrt the kick in the nuts with the XL2 now the slap in the Face with the FX1. Why are they so quite?[/quote]

Because the DVX is still selling? Who knows.
 
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