New Sony HDV 1080i

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Re: New Sony HDV 1080i

I agree they're pushing it, but I don't see it being added to the pro version of this camera. I doubt pros would want it, and it would be a substantial redesign.
 
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You need HD progressiv to blowing the video upp to film. Than if you follow the process of filmmaking you don't need XLR. Actually you can use any XLR with a spes. cabel but you don't need killer sound. You need something for SMPTE or to use the sound as a reference. You record the sound on DAT, MiniDisc or HD.

I don't need XLR if the prize is ~ 500,- less.
 
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[quote author=David Jimerson link=board=XL2;num=1094548720;start=15#20 date=09/07/04 at 09:17:32]I agree they're pushing it, but I don't see it being added to the pro version of this camera.  I doubt pros would want it, and it would be a substantial redesign.[/quote]
Here ya go David. This is an old article that semi-supports the argument of using blu-ray into this camcorder.
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/sony-hdv-nab-prototype-04_18_04.htm
 
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I cant belive this!

Sony introduces an HDV camera 2 days after I pay $5000 for an XL2 I waited all summer for! AND I havent even got it in the mail yet! If I could cancel the shipment I would and wait for the sony HDV.

I always get ripped off!

Plus, some guys are getting there XL2 for $500 dollars less at ebuyer.com.
I am so jellous of other people who win in life.

Maybe the XL2 will be better than the sony HDV in some way that makes me happy I bought it for 5 thousand dollars.

Anybody want to cheer me up?
 
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Does the Sony allow interchangeable lenses?

It's not even 24P. Yea it has cine-mode, but what are you so upset about?

The XL2 appears to be an amazing camera. You're the second person to appear worried. Even though this camera appeared, I'm still considering the XL2 and the DVX100a, for that matter.

HD doesn't mean it is automatically the best. Or am I missing something?

-Jerry
 
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[quote author=Joey gladstone link=board=XL2;num=1094548720;start=15#23 date=09/07/04 at 09:52:27]Anybody want to cheer me up? [/quote]
Ummm ... it's a pretty color and looks cool?  ;)

Okay, seriously.

Joey, look at it this way, at least you will have your camera within the week.  Whereas, if I wait for the Sony pro version to surface, it will probably be six or seven months down the road before I will ever get my hands on a camera.

I envy you.
 
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Joey, I wouldnt worry at all, the XL2 Im sure will be found to be a great camera within the next few weeks- The images already posted have been stunning to say the least. And as far as the HD sony cam goes, it wont be out for a few months at the least, and it doesnt have progressive modes (specifically 24p), xlr's, or interchangeable lenses. Plus, as you can see in some of the articles about it, a few more things it needs for proper easy use may end up costing a good amount of more money as well.

Cheer up! You've got a sweet ride! Drive it across America and back!
 
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The XL2 has interchangeable lenses, true progressive scan, and actual XLR audio inputs. The XL2 is available today, the Sony doesn't offer any of that. The Sony isn't slated to be available for about three months. But then again, the Sony should be $1300 less also.

If you're unsure, and it sounds like you are, I'd recommend trying to cancel your order. Even though the XL2 may be superb, there's nothing quite like $5,000 of "buyer's remorse"...
 
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I would not buy this cam for fiction movie making because interlace 1080 video looks VERY 'videoish.' Once again, Sony has prooven that its head is far up it's a#@ by not including either 30p or 24p with this cam. Sony will never get it.
 
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Glenn,

remember that this new Sony HDV is a "consumer" camera, not "prosumer". We don't know what the pro version of this camera will or will not feature. Maybe it will do 24p, maybe not.
 
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The XL2 is a very god equipment. It gonna take years before the indutry can accept the HDV as a standard. They will have DVD now. Sometimes I still have to make VHS and Video-CD.

"34. Can I use the JVC HD-1 to shoot hi-def and transfer to film?

No. The JVC's 16:9 HDTV (720p30) format is 30 frames/sec progressive-scan and cannot be converted to 24 frames/sec. (Normal interlaced NTSC is 60 fields/sec and is easily converted to 24, but 30P formats have only 30 motion samples per second and no smooth conversion to 24 is possible).

The other modes of the JVC are standard definition and offer no real advantages. Wait for the European version (720p25) if there will be one."

From the www.dvfilm.com
 
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[quote author=Joey gladstone link=board=XL2;num=1094548720;start=15#23 date=09/07/04 at 09:52:27]I cant belive this!

Sony introduces an HDV camera 2 days after I pay $5000 for an XL2 I waited all summer for!  AND I havent even got it in the mail yet! If I could cancel the shipment I would and wait for the sony HDV.

I always get ripped off!

Plus, some guys are getting there XL2 for $500 dollars less at ebuyer.com.
I am so jellous of other people who win in life.

Maybe the XL2 will be better than the sony HDV in some way that makes me happy I bought it for 5 thousand dollars.

Anybody want to cheer me up? [/quote]

Joey

You have a sweet camera. Start making films and dont fret the technology. DVX, XL2 or Sony; it doesnt matter. What matters is what yo put on the screen. Neither camera has a make or break option that will make your work that much more compelling. Look at Pieces of April and Open Water: Both shot on PD150's (OW also shot on VX2000 I think) and Ill take the DVX, XL2 or new SONT anyday over those.

Something new and improved will always come out and you need to start worrying about your art now and not the "OMG a new camera!"
 
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People keep mentioning a potential "pro" version of the Sony -- did I miss it in the press release? Is there a definitive statement from Sony saying that they WILL produce a pro version? I'd sure like to know about it...

Sony didn't necessarily "miss the boat" on 24P -- by choosing 1080i, and making it HDV compliant, they can't have progressive scan. There is no progressive scan in the HDV standard at 1080i res, the only progressive scan in HDV comes at the 720p rate. And even then HDV doesn't provide for 24P.

Sony does include an in-camera filmlook type of process to convert the 1080/60i into a simulation of 24P and of 30P. We should withhold judgement until we see it -- it could look great.
 
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oh, im sure it will look great! But we're trying to cheer up Joey right now, so talking about its possible greatness may not do the job.

BTW, one of the articles I read, if not both, said that there will almost for sure be a Prosumer version. The Sony guy in LasVegas was quoted saying that.

Watch out Hollywood fancy land! Technology is catching up so that we can ALL make professional quality movies!!!
 
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Just watch though - they'll soon have a forty eight megapixel, 70mm CCD 4:4:4 UD (ultra definition) camera with more dynamic range and resolution than IMAX film does today! ::)
 
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Camcorderinfo have this comment at the end of the HDR-FX1 article:

"Since the introduction of their first MiniDV camcorder in 1995, Sony has a history of introducing professional versions in their broadcast line of their highest end consumer camcorders. The consumer DCR-VX1000 has the broadcast DSR-PD100, the DCR-VX2000 has the broadcast DSR-PD150, and recently the DCR-TRV950 and the DCR-VX2100 have the DSR-PDX10 and the DSR-PD170, respectively. Although not much information is available, it appears that Sony Broadcast is planning to introduce a higher-end version of the HDR-FX1. According to Sony consumer, that camcorder will be available in the 1st quarter of 2005 for under $7,000. Further details are not available. However, considering the timing of this release, it seems likely that Sony will display at least a prototype of their first professional HDV camcorder at the International Broadcasters Conference being held later this week in Amsterdam. "

But there is nothing official.
 
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If they introduce a DSR250-caliber prosumer version (meaning, a real viewfinder, real XLR's, bigger form factor, etc) and keep it around $5000 or so, that would be *extremely interesting*.
 
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This camera looks awesome. There's apparently a "cinema mode" which may mean "frame mode" 24p and 30p which would still be a TON of resolution. I don't like 60i to 24p, though...it never looks quite right although it can look pretty good nonetheless. I'm not going to replace my dvx, but the price is definitely right and the features are totally innovative. Sony has impressed me. They could have pulled an XL2 and introduced a dvx clone (with the pd170's advantages of low light performance and..uhh...sonyness), but they made something totally new and different. Very cool. I'm not dismissing the xl2, though, I'm just saying that it was in no way revolutionary. It's basically just a VERY refined mix of the xl1s and dvx.

Once we have HD and 24p coupled together the next big advancement will be in dynamic range from larger CCDs. We must hope that eventually there are video cameras with dSLR sized chips. And 50mpbs recording onto memory cards. And 24p native footage with NO PULLDOWN to remove meaning no wasted frames or wasted data. Are you listening, panasonic?
 
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Ooops...no XLR ports. Nice job crippling a good product so you can sell a slightly different version for more after forcing anyone who wants good audio to wait four months, sony. Also, "cinema mode" is 2:3:2:3 frame mode (I think) which probably looks gorgeous but would require reverse telecine and that's a pain. I won't buy an hdv cam until it has 24pA or 24p native footage so I don't have to worry about dealing with interlaces. (3d animation and green screening are horrible with interlaced footage.)
 
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