Kick-Ass

Richard J. Johnson said:
I do want to add that if it were your daughter would you allow her to accept the role?
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Which role? Hit Girl or Little Miss Sunshine?

To be honest, if I were a parent, I think I'd have more of a problem with the Little Miss Sunshine role (for the beauty pageant scene) than the Hit Girl role.
 
Richard J. Johnson said:
I'm not going to get in this, but It's cool that's it's been civil. But I WILL say that those child beauty contest creep me the hell out.

I do want to add that if it were your daughter would you allow her to accept the role?

Assuming that minors would need permission.
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I agree about the beauty pageants, that's why it's not a fair comparison. They're real. Hit Girl is not.

As for the other question.... are you asking me?

If so, it would depend on a few things. One, what is my daughter like when she's that age? How mature is she? That still remains to be seen.

Two, what's the message of the film? I still have yet to see it so I don't know for sure.

The violence might be more of an issue for me.
As we know, when you make a film it feels anything BUT real. It's laughable at how fake it is behind the scenes so that may not end up being the real issue.

One last note, believe it or not, kids hear this stuff in the playground EVERY day. It's how you raise your child that determines what they do and say.
I grew up hearing plenty of shi* in the school yard but I dared not utter a word of it at anyone because my father taught me what respect meant.
Aside from trash talking with friends that is. :)

Just my 2 cents.

How about you?

MAH
 
Michael Anthony Horrigan said:
They are still reactions to something that is NOT real, unlike your beauty pageant comparison. It's not the same thing at all.

I give up. Just call me disturbed. :evil:

MAH
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After all this, and just for perspective, I'm not saying this is the worst thing in the world and will be the end of civilization. I just don't like it. It feels wrong to me...She is not the only character in the film, and it may have other things to offer beside it. I just don't plan on seeing it in the theater.
 
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I don't think anyone is saying it won't have an effect one way or another...but ultimately, what will that effect be? Young kids saying "penis breath?" Hey, my parents found that so incredibly offensive that I didn't get to see E.T. until I was in college.
 
David Jimerson said:
To say that art or entertainment can't have a negative effect is to say it can't have a positive effect, either.
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Like I said, this movie is not for kids. Even Ebert said that he's not worried about 16 year olds and up.

Neither am I.

Things like beauty pageants and plain old magazines have a far more negative effect on young girls. Even commercials they see everyday in between kids shows on TV.

This movie is for adults and any adult film is a not for kids. Due to a multitude of reasons.
EDIT: I don't see any negative effect that this movie can cause on an adult or anyone else who knows right from wrong. The intended audience.

MAH
 
First books, then photographs, movies, comic books, music, and so on...all purported to corrupt a nation's children and end civilization as it was known.

Funny how nothing ever comes of this, and yet we get a new scapegoat for the predicted end of civilization all the time.
 
I don't see anyone saying this movie is going to be the downfall of society, either, only that they wish people didn't get off on watching a foul-mouthed 11-year-old girl killer. No one said they thought it was going to cause 11 year-old girls to become foul-mouthed killers. I, for one, wish people didn't line up in droves to watch people get chained down with barbed wire and get appendages sawed off.

But to say there's never been an effect on society is patently untrue. In fact, entertainment is one of the prime movers and shapers of culture. Whether it's been for good or ill is another matter, which we probably don't really need to get into.
 
David Jimerson said:
But to say there's never been an effect on society is patently untrue. In fact, entertainment is one of the prime movers and shapers of culture.
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Advertisers spend billions of dollars every year on TV ads and product placements in movies because they know its effect, which they see reflected in their bottom line.
 
And that's the other side of the coin, which Ebert is probably referring to. It's not that the film is disturbing, per se, but that such a disturbing film already has such a large, enthusiastic audience. It's not about the film's influence and what it's going to do to the audience -- they're already there.
 
David Jimerson said:
And that's the other side of the coin, which Ebert is probably referring to. It's not that the film is disturbing, per se, but that such a disturbing film already has such a large, enthusiastic audience. It's not about the film's influence and what it's going to do to the audience -- they're already there.
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I think this is both great and important, especially for people like us on this forum.

KICK-ASS is an independent film, and it's one of those films that people love WITHOUT a huge advertisement machine.

It's the oposite of TRANSFORMERS or the STAR WARS prequels.

I for one hope it makes a fortune, so it can prove to studio bosses that independent films and violent R-rated action movies (as opposed to drivel like AvP and Die Hard 4) is a lucrative business.
For the past 10 years we've been spoonfed nothing but awful pre-chewed guck in the action department from the studios. If it wasn't for Stallone, we wouldn't have any action heros anymore.
 
I just read the Ebert review and hopped on the boards to see what you guys thought and boyOboy.

I'm a HUGE fan of the comic and a fan of Ebert (his writing) as well. In his review he writes:

"Let's say you're a big fan of the original comic book, and you think the movie does it justice. You know what? You inhabit a world I am so very not interested in."

Wow.

Strong words.

Should I be offended or is he (or I perhaps) off base?

From the reviews I've read of the film, albeit a few minor changes, it does indeed do the comic justice.
 
I for one was interested in seeing this movie long before I saw the Hit-Girl teaser with all the violence. In fact, you barely see Hit-Girl on any of the TV trailers at all.
She's mostly in the Internet ones. I thought the lead was the kid in the green suit? You know, Kick-Ass.

I'm still not sure it isn't. Isn't he the lead?

Either way, I'm interested in this flick and I'll be checking it out.
I love comic book stuff and this definitely looks to be different.


MAH
 
jkc123 said:
I just read the Ebert review and hopped on the boards to see what you guys thought and boyOboy.

I'm a HUGE fan of the comic and a fan of Ebert (his writing) as well. In his review he writes:

"Let's say you're a big fan of the original comic book, and you think the movie does it justice. You know what? You inhabit a world I am so very not interested in."

Wow.

Strong words.

Should I be offended or is he (or I perhaps) off base?

From the reviews I've read of the film, albeit a few minor changes, it does indeed do the comic justice.
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Harry and Massawyrm have written pretty good editorials on Ebert's review on aintitcool.com
Check them out.
 
Batutta said:
And I'm not one of those people...I get it...and still don't like it.
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David Jimerson said:
And this is the exact reaction Ebert predicted in his first paragraph. Guess what? People get things just fine. Not liking it doesn't mean they don't understand it.
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This is exactly what I mean by saying "or like it".
But you know, it's still ironic whether you like irony or not.

Which is why you can't compare people who like Kick-Ass to people who like children's beauty pageants since beauty pageants aren't ironic.
 
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