Kick-Ass

Michael Anthony Horrigan said:
If children below the age of determining what's right and wrong see this movie, that's the parents fault.

I won't judge a movie based on how it might affect a six year old who shouldn't be watching it.

My six year old daughter still hasn't seen The Lion King because I don't want to introduce her to Murder yet.


MAH
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True enough...


Satire is a tricky thing. There is a very fine line between satirizing something, and just being the very thing you are trying to satirize.
 
I find those Disney channel tween shows to be the parents scourge these days. It's not so much the stories as the way the characters speak. It literally only takes my daughter watching one episode of Hannah Montana or Wizards of Waverly place for her to start talking like a sassy, disrespectful teenage brat.
 
Batutta said:
I find those Disney channel tween shows to be the parents scourge these days. It's not so much the stories as the way the characters speak. It literally only takes my daughter watching one episode of Hannah Montana or Wizards of Waverly place for her to start talking like a sassy, disrespectful teenage brat.
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Man you hit that sh!t right on the head. Kyleigh is not allowed to watch Icarly or any of those shows because of that reason. A few weeks ago she was talking to her mom exactly like that (she knows better with me) and she had a problem on her hands.
 
Batutta said:
I find those Disney channel tween shows to be the parents scourge these days. It's not so much the stories as the way the characters speak. It literally only takes my daughter watching one episode of Hannah Montana or Wizards of Waverly place for her to start talking like a sassy, disrespectful teenage brat.
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Couldn't agree more on that. I'm probably the sheltering type but my daughter still watches Arthur.

Although she is starting to like Sponge Bob. In my opinion it's similar to a modern day version of Looney Tunes. Also, all children are different. Some are far more mature than others. (Again, I'm just talking kid shows here, not adult stuff.) :)



Back on topic a bit...

Ebert loved Kill Bill.
And although she was a teenager I still think Go-Go is a valid comparison.



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Spongebob Squarepants is one of the funniest shows on TV. I don't know why but It cracks me up and my kids watch it all the time (girl 5-boy 2). I think it's laugh out loud funny.


Back on topic.

Go-Go was hot.

Michael Anthony Horrigan said:
Couldn't agree more on that. I'm probably the sheltering type but my daughter still watches Arthur.

Although she is starting to like Sponge Bob. In my opinion it's similar to a modern day version of Looney Tunes. Also, all children are different. Some are far more mature than others. (Again, I'm just talking kid shows here, not adult stuff.) :)



Back on topic a bit...

Ebert loved Kill Bill.
And although she was a teenager I still think Go-Go is a valid comparison.



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Batutta said:
I find those Disney channel tween shows to be the parents scourge these days. It's not so much the stories as the way the characters speak. It literally only takes my daughter watching one episode of Hannah Montana or Wizards of Waverly place for her to start talking like a sassy, disrespectful teenage brat.
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I hate using the 'actually' word, but...
Well you know, if you actually watched Kick-Ass, I think you'd find Hit Girl is portrayed as intelligent, capable and righteous, and she's very much daddy's little girl. In fact, she's her father's side-kick, and her father is the mentor character of the whole show.
 
Michael Anthony Horrigan said:
Back on topic a bit...

Ebert loved Kill Bill.
And although she was a teenager I still think Go-Go is a valid comparison.



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But we're not asked to see Go-Go as a heroine. Again, I think don't Ebert was disturbed MERELY by the fact a little girl was doing all those things. I think he was bothered by the fact that we're supposed to ENJOY Hit-Girl doing these things. The filmmakers portray it, film it and score it in a way that clearly says they wanted the audience to be entertained by it...and Jawa did say above the audience he saw it with were enjoying it immensely. That made Ebert sad.
 
Jawa Ex Machina said:
I hate using the 'actually' word, but...
Well you know, if you actually watched Kick-Ass, I think you'd find Hit Girl is portrayed as intelligent, capable and righteous, and she's very much daddy's little girl. In fact, she's her father's side-kick, and her father is the mentor character of the whole show.
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I can watch an 11 year old kick some ass, What I can't watch is a 11 year old whining about not being popular and the cutest boy in school pays her no attention. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
Batutta said:
But we're not asked to see Go-Go as a heroine. Again, I think don't Ebert was disturbed MERELY by the fact a little girl was doing all those things. I think he was bothered by the fact that we're supposed to ENJOY Hit-Girl doing these things. The filmmakers portray it, film it and score it in a way that clearly says they wanted the audience to be entertained by it...and Jawa did say above the audience he saw it with were enjoying it immensely. That made Ebert sad.
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It also sounds like we see a point (judging by Ebert's review) where she is beaten within an inch of her life. Maybe it's at that point where the audience stopped cheering and learned a valuable lesson. Maybe it's at that point that they realized that no young girl should be put in such a position to begin with.

Again, I haven't seen the movie but I'll decide what I think when I see it.

MAH
 
Michael Anthony Horrigan said:
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It also sounds like we see a point (judging by Ebert's review) where she is beaten within an inch of her life. Maybe it's at that point where the audience stopped cheering and learned a valuable lesson. Maybe it's at that point that they realized that no young girl should be put in such a position to begin with.

Again, I haven't seen the movie but I'll decide what I think when I see it.

MAH
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If you ask me, we see worse things happen than that.

But seriously, isn't it worse to see violence that has NO effect on the characters? Like that guy in Die Hard 4 who falls from a helicopter, hits his head on the concrete and lives?
 
Batutta said:
But we're not asked to see Go-Go as a heroine. Again, I think don't Ebert was disturbed MERELY by the fact a little girl was doing all those things. I think he was bothered by the fact that we're supposed to ENJOY Hit-Girl doing these things. The filmmakers portray it, film it and score it in a way that clearly says they wanted the audience to be entertained by it...and Jawa did say above the audience he saw it with were enjoying it immensely. That made Ebert sad.
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So... wait. It's okay to see and enjoy a young girl engaged in brutally violent comic book martial arts fights if she's a villain, but not if she's a hero and kills a bunch of gangsters who carry guns in self defense and in order to protect another hero?

Is this about who she kills and why? Because it's not like she's out there slaughtering innocent people and getting cheers for that. These are all bad people in the context of the movie, with guns, ready to kill our hero who's armed only with a pair of escrima, and all Hit Girl has is a Naginata.
 
Jawa Ex Machina said:
So... wait. It's okay to see and enjoy a young girl engaged in brutally violent comic book martial arts fights if she's a villain, but not if she's a hero and kills a bunch of gangsters who carry guns in self defense and in order to protect another hero?

Is this about who she kills and why? Because it's not like she's out there slaughtering innocent people and getting cheers for that. These are all bad people in the context of the movie, with guns, ready to kill our hero who's armed only with a pair of escrima, and all Hit Girl has is a Naginata.
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I'm saying THE WAY in which things are portrayed can rub people the wrong way.

But really I don't see Go-go as a valid comparison. She could be 25 years old...Asian women do tend to look quite young, and it was never made clear in the film.
 
Batutta said:
I'm saying THE WAY in which things are portrayed can rub people the wrong way.

But really I don't see Go-go as a valid comparison. She could be 25 years old...Asian women do tend to look quite young, and it was never made clear in the film.
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It was clear that she was playing a teenager though. Still, not a great comparison. I agree with that.


Jawa Ex Machina said:
So... wait. It's okay to see and enjoy a young girl engaged in brutally violent comic book martial arts fights if she's a villain, but not if she's a hero and kills a bunch of gangsters who carry guns in self defense and in order to protect another hero?

Is this about who she kills and why? Because it's not like she's out there slaughtering innocent people and getting cheers for that. These are all bad people in the context of the movie, with guns, ready to kill our hero who's armed only with a pair of escrima, and all Hit Girl has is a Naginata.
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Yup. Still waiting to see this for myself. While I usually agree with Ebert I think he's lost touch with this one. I was getting it from all the trailers. I bet I know who she's saving too.


MAH
 
Look, I'll try to make as clear a comparison as I can. The same reason some people are disturbed by Hit-Girl as a character, because of what she does and says in the movie, is pretty close to the reason people are disturbed by stuff like this--

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Batutta said:
Look, I'll try to make as clear a comparison as I can. The same reason some people are disturbed by Hit-Girl as a character, because of what she does and says in the movie, is pretty close to the reason people are disturbed by stuff like this--

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Sorry, not even close.

I'm not even sure how you can make such a comparison?

MAH
 
I'm not sure why you keep comparing this to pornography and now six year old beauty pageants but maybe you are seeing something that the rest of us are not.

Ebert was not talking about what you are.

Edit: From Ebert's review.

The movie's rated R, which means in this case that it's doubly attractive to anyone under 17. I'm not too worried about 16-year-olds here. I'm thinking of 6-year-olds. There are characters here with walls covered in carefully mounted firearms, ranging from handguns through automatic weapons to bazookas.
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The Exorcist, Kill Bill, Lolita, these films are not for 6-year olds either. Is it just the guns he has a problem with? If so there are plenty of other movies he could ***** about.

I usually agree with him but I just don't get this??

MAH
 
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