T2i It's begun

dtjohns1 said:
For example what if I said I cant stand World War shorts. Is that going to make you stop shooting them? Is that going to make you stop shooting them? It also works in reverse. What you may think is total crap someone else could like or use as a tool of what not to do on their project. Something can be taken from EVERYTHNG you see in life.
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So you're comparing (or at least substituting) a World War II short that actually has a narrative, authentic costumes, a thought out script, vfx work, original soundtrack, etc... to someone recording his wife getting the mail for no apparent reason?
 
marlontorres said:
So you're comparing (or at least substituting) a World War II short that actually has a narrative, authentic costumes, a thought out script, vfx work, original soundtrack, etc... to someone recording his wife getting the mail for no apparent reason?
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I'd prefer watching the fragmented unsteady shot clips put together with no editing at all from officers returning from Iraq, than the award winning big screen produced film, but thats just my preference.
Print media have accepted the reality, music industry has accepted reality, and with BBC, CNN etc. saying send "whatever you have" time will tell if HW holds with "only us" mindset.
 
qap15 said:
I'd prefer watching the fragmented unsteady shot clips put together with no editing at all from officers returning from Iraq, than the award winning big screen produced film, but thats just my preference.
Print media have accepted the reality, music industry has accepted reality, and with BBC, CNN etc. saying send "whatever you have" time will tell if HW holds with "only us" mindset.
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You're definitely in the minority here.
 
marlontorres said:
So you're comparing (or at least substituting) a World War II short that actually has a narrative, authentic costumes, a thought out script, vfx work, original soundtrack, etc... to someone recording his wife getting the mail for no apparent reason?
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Im plaining saying that you might not like the footage of someone recording his wife but someone else could. Just as someone might not like Transformers 2. But does that mean Michael Bay should stop making the series because SOME people dont like it? No because their are others that do. And in your case i was saying yes you could have costumes, vfx, etc. but someone out there could still think its crap and is waisting bandwith on vimeo or youtube. Should you stop making them because they dont appreciate it or like it. No because you do what YOU want to do because it makes YOU happy. If you dont like it something dont watch it simple as that.
 
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dtjohns1 said:
And in your case i was saying yes you could have costumes, vfx, etc. but someone out there could still think its crap and is waisting bandwith on vimeo or youtube.
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How is my movie different from any other movie? I'm sure there millions of people out there who think "Avatar" is crap. I'm very aware of the fact that filmmaking is an art-form and is subjective. But I doubt "Bob showing his wife getting mail" had any intention of creating "art". It's just someone trying to learn how to use his camera. No sound track, editing, nothing. Honestly, does that need to be uploaded and shown to the world?
 
marlontorres said:
How is my movie different from any other movie? I'm sure there millions of people out there who think "Avatar" is crap. I'm very aware of the fact that filmmaking is an art-form and is subjective. But I doubt "Bob showing his wife getting mail" had any intention of creating "art". It's just someone trying to learn how to use his camera. No sound track, editing, nothing. Honestly, does that need to be uploaded and shown to the world?
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Nothing has to be uploaded but since the freedom to do it is there I say yes. Let that person feel special about putting something up on vimeo/youtube if you dont want to watch it then dont. If you want to solve the problem of having to sift through footage make a group and only allow people with quality content to add footage.
 
Barry_Green said:
But -- is that new? Come on, we've seen those exact same videos since the very first 35mm adapters came out. Three years ago or so, I remember David Jimerson begging that please, no more footage of people's cats...

Yes you are going to see more of it now, because the lower cost of the equipment means that there's an expanded base -- isn't that what everyone's been clamoring for? The "democratization" of the filmmaking experience?

What do we have here, a case of "be careful what you wish for?"

Everybody's gotta start somewhere. And yes, people taking their first shots are going to be excited and they're going to post them. If you don't like wading through the amateur footage (and there will be gobs and gobs of it) don't go searching for footage.

Just because the pricetag has been democratized, that doesn't mean the talent is any more widespread.

And frankly, it isn't just limited to test footage -- there are lots and lots of so-called "feature films" that get posted, that are just as mind-numbingly awful. Awful awful awful -- but excited folks post them and even *promote* them as much as they can.

Safest way to go is to wait for the quality stuff to bubble to the top. The cream always rises. When everyone's talking about a certain clip, go watch that one.

But I don't begrudge anyone the right to, or the enjoyment of, shooting and posting something. If they have talent, they -- well, they gotta start somewhere. If they don't have talent, they'll get bored and go away sooner or later.

Now, if you want an actual solution to the problem -- keep track of clips that are actually good, and let's start a collection of those. That way people can find - at a glance - the good stuff, and they don't have to go wading through the sea of other stuff.
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You just pointing out that I'm late to the party even though you agree with me?
 
I hate and love those videos personally. A lot of them are garbage but sometimes they record some really cool stuff. And I'm all for more people exploring shooting stuff because then they grow to appreciate what's all involved in the process and have more of an appreciation for what some people do. And everything starts somewhere, filming cats and mailboxes and whatever to who knows.

The only sad thing about it is some people get these amazing cameras and that's all they ever do with them and then they sit on a shelf somewhere when there is someone out there who is just dieing to use one but can't afford it. That's the only tragedy in my opinion, is that sometimes they fall into the less passionate hands. Just my thoughts.
 
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