HVX200 Delivery Dates
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Jan_Crittenden
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David S. said:
Hurts like Hades! 6-8 weeks of brace to look forward to, 3-4 months of therapy, feeling totally helpless, can't drive, and overall, trying to stay positive. ;-)
Thanks for asking,
Jan
Jan_Crittenden
Veteran
SalaTar said:
All of these comments show me that you know little about manufacturing or engineering a manufacturing plan or in general know how to deal with all of the multitutde of tasks that will give this camera it's life's blood. Only an wild-eyed optimist would put up a production pod and then expect it to output 1000 units on the first month and be confident they all are viable. And just keep in mind, we are not talking an ipod or a cigarette lighter here. Think of all of the components that are in a camcorder and think of all the chips, lenses, LCDs, connections.
And yes this is exactly what we went through on the DVX with the exception that there were vast numbers of potential customers that were convinced that 24P was a joke. Now everyone knows that it isn't the ability to produce cameras yet the first couple of months is still limited.
Best,
Jan
Justyn
Veteran
Man, that comes off really bad and as a complete rhetorical question, too! I think it's amazing that Jan comes on here, especially when she gets jumped on right away. First post, even. That would make me keep off as well. Be happy that more are shipping. When something is revolutionary, there will be demands but again realistic expectations must rule. Still in first month of the release.
I still have fond memories of waiting in lines in England to see Star Wars... our town's little theater couldn't handle the crowds.. but to me it was just as much fun as the flick.
I still have fond memories of waiting in lines in England to see Star Wars... our town's little theater couldn't handle the crowds.. but to me it was just as much fun as the flick.
SalaTar said:
SalaTar
Carbonite Member
"All of these comments show me that you know little about manufacturing or engineering "
She has no clue about me nor do any of you, only what you see on a board.
BTW "you" direted after a quote is a direct violation of board rules
I didnt attack Jan , just the Panasonic
She has no clue about me nor do any of you, only what you see on a board.
BTW "you" direted after a quote is a direct violation of board rules
I didnt attack Jan , just the Panasonic
Jason Scott
Active member
Excellent! It appears you've entered the phase of the conversation where you're backed into a corner, pointing a sword at all motion, yelling about the bugs and the space waves getting under your helmet.
Honestly, I used to feel bad when I was shooting my film about not really keeping "up to date" on all the message boards, with what was likely a deep amount of information that could assist me.
But the fact is, whenever I do spend any time on these things, I'm reminded how weak the bond is between all the operators/owners of these cameras, with some being solid personalities generous enough to share what they learn, and others petulant children whose own vision of what cameras "should be" existing only in their heads, and dang if we're not going to hear on every single sub-topic the constitution of their dreamland, even if the conversation has nothing to do with it.
I will be very glad when the camera shows up and I can go back to searching when I try to remember the name of a part.
Honestly, I used to feel bad when I was shooting my film about not really keeping "up to date" on all the message boards, with what was likely a deep amount of information that could assist me.
But the fact is, whenever I do spend any time on these things, I'm reminded how weak the bond is between all the operators/owners of these cameras, with some being solid personalities generous enough to share what they learn, and others petulant children whose own vision of what cameras "should be" existing only in their heads, and dang if we're not going to hear on every single sub-topic the constitution of their dreamland, even if the conversation has nothing to do with it.
I will be very glad when the camera shows up and I can go back to searching when I try to remember the name of a part.
Jan / Rush / Barry / Etc...
Like a few others on the board, I've been delaying a Start Date on a project, awaiting this camera. No complaints here -- I'm thrilled to have a better camera to shoot with. Forgive me for asking, but where in the US does the QC process take place? It will save me a huge rental fee if you said LA rather than the east coast...
Jan -- best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Like a few others on the board, I've been delaying a Start Date on a project, awaiting this camera. No complaints here -- I'm thrilled to have a better camera to shoot with. Forgive me for asking, but where in the US does the QC process take place? It will save me a huge rental fee if you said LA rather than the east coast...
Jan -- best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Jan_Crittenden said:
That's terrible.
When in high school at Cupertino HS, I broke my left ankle playing basketball.
It healed, and my mom took a bunch of photographs.
One week later after the cast came off, I broke my RIGHT ankle, and it went into a cast.
As you can imagine, the photographs were a little interesting.
BobDiaz
The Professor
The manufacturing process is VERY complex and has LONG lead times. I worked at Epson America for 9 years and EIZO (Nanao) for 9 years, so I've seen what it takes to put a complex product together.
First, there are subassemblies and parts, like the lens, CCD, ICs, Printed Circuit Boards, metal parts, plastic parts, ... Many times, the parts come from a different companies. There items take time to produce and you just can't demmand that the order be doubled and expect it to happen right away.
Second, you must have ALL the parts before you can ship the product. If a single item is missing, you must wait before the product can be finished. In other words, production is only as good as the weakest link in the supply chain.
Third, you can NOT go from zero to 100% capacity overnight. You need limited production runs to make sure everything is going to work OK. This is where changes must be made in the production line to fix minor problems in production. Yes, things do go wrong in the early production runs. This is why the cameras are going through 100% QA in the USA. It is a lot easier to fix a minor problem in a few hundred units, than to fix it in 10,000 units. BEFORE someone says, "...BUT Panasonic has produced cameras long before this, they should know how to make them correctly...", true, but every NEW product has its own set of production problems. Epson has made MILLIONS of printers, but every new printer has its own set of new production problems. EIZO (Nanao) made millions of monitors, but every new monitor presented its own set of production problems.
Forth, a production line has limited capacity. Yes, they could setup a second and third line to increase capacity, but by the time you get those lines ready, the current demand is met and the backlog is no longer an issue.
On the surface it all sounds so simple, just build more cameras, BUT Jan or anyone else who has had to deal with manufacturing, knows that the process is far more complex than most people think.
Bob Diaz
First, there are subassemblies and parts, like the lens, CCD, ICs, Printed Circuit Boards, metal parts, plastic parts, ... Many times, the parts come from a different companies. There items take time to produce and you just can't demmand that the order be doubled and expect it to happen right away.
Second, you must have ALL the parts before you can ship the product. If a single item is missing, you must wait before the product can be finished. In other words, production is only as good as the weakest link in the supply chain.
Third, you can NOT go from zero to 100% capacity overnight. You need limited production runs to make sure everything is going to work OK. This is where changes must be made in the production line to fix minor problems in production. Yes, things do go wrong in the early production runs. This is why the cameras are going through 100% QA in the USA. It is a lot easier to fix a minor problem in a few hundred units, than to fix it in 10,000 units. BEFORE someone says, "...BUT Panasonic has produced cameras long before this, they should know how to make them correctly...", true, but every NEW product has its own set of production problems. Epson has made MILLIONS of printers, but every new printer has its own set of new production problems. EIZO (Nanao) made millions of monitors, but every new monitor presented its own set of production problems.
Forth, a production line has limited capacity. Yes, they could setup a second and third line to increase capacity, but by the time you get those lines ready, the current demand is met and the backlog is no longer an issue.
On the surface it all sounds so simple, just build more cameras, BUT Jan or anyone else who has had to deal with manufacturing, knows that the process is far more complex than most people think.
Bob Diaz
mattsdp
Active member
Since I statred this thread, I have read a lot of different things and attitudes.
First, I want to thank Jan for comming on here and giving us the REAL SCOOP. She is great, and I have a lot of respect for her. I met her at Cine Gear, and she handled you "rabid dogs" like a trooper.
At the event I just sat back and listed as people would come up to the Pana booth and bash and bombard the reps with questions and stories of hersay, assumption, and fairy tales. I saw and listened to the stress of the Pana reps after dealing with these people for two days. One Pana rep kinda snapped back at a guy asking him a question that didn't really mean anything.
People.......CHILL OUT. The gear will be here when it gets here. Jan, was right. Everybody was kinda doging 24p when the DVX came out, in fact people were all up in love with the Canon xl about that time. So a lot of you were not even aware of the demand, or even saw the potential. Now, 24p is hot.....and everybody "gotta have it". "This camera is gonna make or break my career! Oh my gosh.......the sky is falling." Come on people......CHILL....CHILL. The cameras will be here when they get here. It is just a tool, and if you got skills you can take any camera and make outstading images with it. Rush, mentioned 3/4" earlier. Dude, I remember when my DP reel had to be on 3/4 for distribution! And I also remember this same type of rabid behavior for Digital Betacam!
I kind wish that Pana limited the first wave of cameras off the line for just the Rental Houses. That way we would probably get a chance and see some actual completed and possibly aired examples of this camera in action. Verses just screen grabs and online movies. I would have liked to see some top ASC Dp's run this camera through the ringer, like what Sony did when they launched Digital Betacam back in the day.
I am not the only one detecting a type of "camera lust" for these units among the masses.
The demand is there allright, but i don't think the examples will be for a while. At least until we can get this cam in the hands of some serious image makers who have made some distributed projects with the the Pana before, aka Nancy Schriber , Claudia Ratchke, etc.
So guys and gals...chill your beloved cams will be with you soon. Let Pana do there thing....hell.....at least Pana had the forsight to put thing kind of tech in the hands of the common man, who was doing it or even cared before them?
First, I want to thank Jan for comming on here and giving us the REAL SCOOP. She is great, and I have a lot of respect for her. I met her at Cine Gear, and she handled you "rabid dogs" like a trooper.
At the event I just sat back and listed as people would come up to the Pana booth and bash and bombard the reps with questions and stories of hersay, assumption, and fairy tales. I saw and listened to the stress of the Pana reps after dealing with these people for two days. One Pana rep kinda snapped back at a guy asking him a question that didn't really mean anything.
People.......CHILL OUT. The gear will be here when it gets here. Jan, was right. Everybody was kinda doging 24p when the DVX came out, in fact people were all up in love with the Canon xl about that time. So a lot of you were not even aware of the demand, or even saw the potential. Now, 24p is hot.....and everybody "gotta have it". "This camera is gonna make or break my career! Oh my gosh.......the sky is falling." Come on people......CHILL....CHILL. The cameras will be here when they get here. It is just a tool, and if you got skills you can take any camera and make outstading images with it. Rush, mentioned 3/4" earlier. Dude, I remember when my DP reel had to be on 3/4 for distribution! And I also remember this same type of rabid behavior for Digital Betacam!
I kind wish that Pana limited the first wave of cameras off the line for just the Rental Houses. That way we would probably get a chance and see some actual completed and possibly aired examples of this camera in action. Verses just screen grabs and online movies. I would have liked to see some top ASC Dp's run this camera through the ringer, like what Sony did when they launched Digital Betacam back in the day.
I am not the only one detecting a type of "camera lust" for these units among the masses.
The demand is there allright, but i don't think the examples will be for a while. At least until we can get this cam in the hands of some serious image makers who have made some distributed projects with the the Pana before, aka Nancy Schriber , Claudia Ratchke, etc.
So guys and gals...chill your beloved cams will be with you soon. Let Pana do there thing....hell.....at least Pana had the forsight to put thing kind of tech in the hands of the common man, who was doing it or even cared before them?
SalaTar said:
I'm not sure I understand that. I've ordered lots of Dell computers, and every once in a while, there are delays because of one or two pieces are on backorder. I've ordered Dells that have been delayed because the LCD screen itself was in short supply...all the other components were available.
