HVX200 Delivery Dates
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wabbit
Evil has Ears
2004: Toyota Prius is back ordered in the US by 6 to 8 months (this is before the "gas crisis" of 2005). Toyota is building new factories to keep up with new demand for hybrids cars...factories ready to go online: 2007 or 8.
2005: Sound Devices, already behind in keeping up with orders for the 744t and 722, have production stalled 2 months while their distributor for the LCD screens gets back ordered. Further delays when LCD screens get stuck several weeks in customs.
It would be great if all these things were like software products and you can instantly churn out a million of them overnight for cheap but it is not. It takes the coordination of several different manufacturers all with limited means to produce their high-tech fragile hardware. Sure they could open extra factories and hire more skilled workers but that would drive production costs thru the roof and the price gets past on to you.
And 6 months from now, when they have caught up with demand, what are they suppose to do with the extra factory and skilled laborers?
Don't forget the XBox 360 and Ipod Nano this last Christmas (actually I believe the orginal XBox also suffered from backorders when it was released). This is just how it works. Build a better mousetrap and they will beat a path to your door.
It sucks we all can't have what we want now but that is the world we live in, get use to it. :thumbsup:
2005: Sound Devices, already behind in keeping up with orders for the 744t and 722, have production stalled 2 months while their distributor for the LCD screens gets back ordered. Further delays when LCD screens get stuck several weeks in customs.
It would be great if all these things were like software products and you can instantly churn out a million of them overnight for cheap but it is not. It takes the coordination of several different manufacturers all with limited means to produce their high-tech fragile hardware. Sure they could open extra factories and hire more skilled workers but that would drive production costs thru the roof and the price gets past on to you.
And 6 months from now, when they have caught up with demand, what are they suppose to do with the extra factory and skilled laborers?
Don't forget the XBox 360 and Ipod Nano this last Christmas (actually I believe the orginal XBox also suffered from backorders when it was released). This is just how it works. Build a better mousetrap and they will beat a path to your door.
It sucks we all can't have what we want now but that is the world we live in, get use to it. :thumbsup:
Barry_Green
Moderator
I don't know where Panasonic does their QC, but I believe the port of entry is on the west coast in Washington. That means little though -- I mean, they could arrive in Washington and then be sent to New Jersey for QC for all I know.Bono said:
Just to throw my hat in the ring, I just called a local shop here in Maryland (www.wpsworld.com) and they have two sitting there. The catch is it's the kit version so you have to buy the 2-4 GB P2 cards and a P2 reader that transfers to PC via USB 2.
But, at least you can walk out with one today!
--Alex
But, at least you can walk out with one today!
--Alex
BobDiaz
The Professor
SalaTar said:
Odd comment, I'm not sure what you are getting at...
OK, I received my degree from CSULB in Industrial Technology, when to work for TRW (Microelectronics Group), moved on to Epson America (Product Development), moved on to EIZO/NANAO (Technical Group). Currently I work for El Camino College, Torrance, CA. You will find me listed in the Winter/Spring 2006 Schedule of classes on pages 50 (Electronics and Computer Hardware Technology - 194, #7491) & 67 (Manufacturing Technology - 70, #7700) as R. Diaz. Just call (310) 660-3600 and they will verify that R. Diaz is Bob Diaz; the same guy that has walked at times to El Camino from home and back again (round trip about 11 miles). The same guy who is currently working on getting his book, "Introduction to the PIC Micro" published. (Just ask Patrick in the El Camino Bookstore.)
Also, ask David Newman from Cineform if he remembers Bob Diaz (the ex-AVIO , Pro-ScreenPlay guy). Then ask David if he thinks I know what I'm talking about or not. :laugh:
Before we have any debate on what can or can not be done in manufacturing, I would like to know your background in manufacturing. This would help me to understand if you are talking from real world experience or you might be assuming how things are done. Please understand that this is NOT intended as an insult or put-down, but it helps me to frame my answers in the right context.
FROM IDEA TO PRODUCTION:
(1) Hand Built prototypes; this will take several tries to fix or improve the basic design.
(2) Pre-Production run; these become the first samples to go out. This run shows any initial weak points or problems in the process.
(3) First/Second/Third Production Run (Limited Production Runs); In theory, everything in the process should have been fixed after the first production run, but minor things do pop up and some changes in the process are required.
(4) Later Production Runs; after units have been out in user's hands, some come back for repair. The Repair Department keeps count on the number and types of repairs. This is critical, because we need to see if there is a pattern. Is there a weakness in the design that we need to fix? Is a better way found to make it easier to build this thing? If so, there are changes to the production line and Engineering Change Notices so out to the Repair Centers.
Anyway the bottom line is it will take time to make all the HXV-200s that everyone wants. The demand is huge and it will take time to get all the units built.
Bob Diaz
BobDiaz said:
Bob, that's all great, but the truth is no one knows. for all we know, there's a warehouse full of hvx's in some warehouse in washington. perhaps the warehouse clerk is also running crystal meth out of the back room and is delaying paperwork just to get his last shipment of drugs out. you don't know, i don't know, jan doesn't even know. so maybe everyone should shut up.
ullanta
Veteran
brianluce said:
Dear brianluce:
Please don't take offense at this, but I have noticed over time that you often quote entire large messages in order to provide a very short comment of your own. It makes it kind of annoying for others to read, and minimizes the impact of your comments. In the future, when quoting, can you edit the quoted material down to the minimum you need to make your point? Or leave out the quote entirely if your post will be the very next one?
Thanks!
Rush
DVXuser Sponsor
Thank you for the info Jan! 
That is great news, that the cameras are shipping from the USA for now. Anything that puts cameras in the hands of my customers in a faster way is good by me.
I hope you are able to feel better soon. I popped my leg prepping for a Judo tournament several years ago, and I was on crutches for 8 weeks. That was horrid, and I can empathize. I did write a novel at that time, so it wasn't all bad :laugh: Please stay postive, as you said, and that'll get you through this sector of hades.
That is great news, that the cameras are shipping from the USA for now. Anything that puts cameras in the hands of my customers in a faster way is good by me.I hope you are able to feel better soon. I popped my leg prepping for a Judo tournament several years ago, and I was on crutches for 8 weeks. That was horrid, and I can empathize. I did write a novel at that time, so it wasn't all bad :laugh: Please stay postive, as you said, and that'll get you through this sector of hades.
Roy Bailey
New member
ridiculously lucky
ridiculously lucky
Ordered mine on the 25th, and it arrived yesterday. So either I'm ridiculously lucky, or Panasonic is ramping up its shipments.:grin:
ridiculously lucky
Ordered mine on the 25th, and it arrived yesterday. So either I'm ridiculously lucky, or Panasonic is ramping up its shipments.:grin:
BobDiaz
The Professor
redindian said:
Well, the process is no different, BUT the DEMAND for HVX-200s is huge compared to JVCs camera or Canon's camera. :happy:
Ford, GM, and other companies build cars, correct? So why was there a waiting list to purchase a Toyota Prius? Simple, demand exceeds supply. Toyata has ramped up production of the Prius, but it took time to increase production.
Bob Diaz
BobDiaz
The Professor
brianluce said:
Your Paraphrase of what I said isn't exactly what I said, but if you want a paraphrase; I've had enough exposure to manufacturing to know how the process works.
You are correct, no one person has access to all the answers; it could be weeks or it could be months to fill all the current orders. Your last line is something I'm sure Jan would like to say. :laugh:
Bob Diaz
BobDiaz said:
How do you know this? Do you know how many units were manufactured from each company?
10 people want a Canon
10 people want a JVC
10 people want a Panasonic
Canon made 10
JVC made 10
Panasonic made 5.
Is there any greater demand or just a shortage of units? Companies are known to do this on purpose to create hype for their product. Microsoft recently did this for the Xbox 360.
This has nothing to do with manufacturing issues this has to do with marketing, sales and over all business strategy. If they haven't made enough to satisfy orders that doesn't prove anything about demand. Especially when compared to other camera manufactures. You need to know all the numbers or your statement as no basis for truth.