How's this?

Looks wonderful. Absolutely wonderful. This just gets better and better.

And, yes, it will be black by the time they're done with it.
 
WesVasher said:
That might conflict with the display and controls that are on the back of the camera.

Here's a crazy idea. Make the control panel on the back, those buttons and display a modular unit that one can mount anywhere. The downside with this of course is increased complexity and cost.

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That's a great idea, Wes! I doubt it'll make it to the camera, but kudos for the suggestion!
 
I like seeing the camera with a lens.. However it would seem that Jim and the boys have kind of left us in the dust at this point.

What I mean is that they already know what the body is going to look like and I think it's safe to assume that with a target date of December to produce a WORKING prototype, I would guess they can't do much more in following suggestions for changes now.

The first generation Body is pretty close to what it's going to be at this point. It's time to sit back and watch the show!

Jay

PS: Can you imagine the incredible amount of work they must have on their plate to make those target dates right now? I bet it's really hitting the fan over there
 
Your post scares me Jay. God I hope they don't rush this thing too much and end up compromising. Deadlines are great - but this one is really ambitious. Looking great by the way.
 
As much as I would love to have a camera in my hands tomorrow, I think there is something to be said for making sure you get it right. I would rather see the camera delayed if it means they have extra time to work out some problem areas. I mentioned earlier that it will be great if the firmware can be updated via flash cards, that allows some tweaks to be made after delivery, but from a design perspective, it would be unfortunate if things were rushed to make a delivery date. Jim seems to be a guy who's interested in doing things right, so I'm sure this will be the case with the Red and its delivery date.

I'll admit though, it's tough to read all about this camera and not want one immediately. There have been some great suggestions from people on these boards too, which even if they don't get implemented in the first run, maybe they will in a second or third generation. What a brilliant approach by the team at Red to be involved with end users.

Steve
 
FYI, we can change this design 20 more times (probably will) and still be on time. If we need any excuse (hope not) for being late, it won't be the industrial design. It will be in the complexity of the board designs and capabilities that we plan to offer. No worries as of today.

Yes to black body. Yes to battery/drive being hung low. Yes to battery/drive being behind either high, level or low.

The rods are standard 19mm in the proper position for matte boxes, etc. 15mm can be added to the front if necessary.

Look at NAB designs to now. That has been only 5 months. We still have 5 months (or so) to go. A lot can happen.

This project sure is fun.

Jim
 
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Jay A. Kelley said:
I like seeing the camera with a lens.. However it would seem that Jim and the boys have kind of left us in the dust at this point.

What I mean is that they already know what the body is going to look like and I think it's safe to assume that with a target date of December to produce a WORKING prototype, I would guess they can't do much more in following suggestions for changes now.

The first generation Body is pretty close to what it's going to be at this point. It's time to sit back and watch the show!
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Jay, I'm assuming that Jim is going to invesment cast or machine most of the parts for the December build... If so it only takes a week or less to make masters for the molds and you can start busting parts out fairly fast. I've make products on the same level of complexity (mechanically) as Red and had them done in less than three weeks.

For the production units I'd expect to see die cast parts - the finish comes out much nicer. :)
 
That's great to hear Jim. Seems like it keeps getting better with each day, so seems like we might be in for even more good stuff before it's all said and done.

How difficult and complex will the manufacturing process be? I imagine it must be quite the challenge to put this all together. I have to admit, I know nothing about manufacturing, so it seems daunting to me.
 
With the drive becoming external and everyone talking about making the whole camera modular/detachable; I'm a little concerned how the real run and gun handheld aspect is going to work.

Is it possible to go out and shoot handheld with RED? or do the floating battery and HDD make this a 99% on the rails job?

There are times when having the flexibilty of a light/compact camera like a DVX come in real handy. I think this was the concept with RED, anything from handheld to huge beast machine, but the more in development it goes the more it's looking like hand-held may not be so simple.
 
Ok well according to Jim I am BIG TIME wrong.. Glad to hear it actually as I love the progress of the design and it's good to hear things are still flexible.

Jay
 
Darkline said:
With the drive becoming external and everyone talking about making the whole camera modular/detachable; I'm a little concerned how the real run and gun handheld aspect is going to work.

Is it possible to go out and shoot handheld with RED? or do the floating battery and HDD make this a 99% on the rails job?

There are times when having the flexibilty of a light/compact camera like a DVX come in real handy. I think this was the concept with RED, anything from handheld to huge beast machine, but the more in development it goes the more it's looking like hand-held may not be so simple.
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I think that one will be able to mount the HDD and Battery directly on the camera body as well. Attach them either below or above the body, no rods/rails/cages needed. So all you'd need is the body, a Hard Disk, a battery and a lens, and you're good to go.
 
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Better...but like others...I'd like to see the set-up with a lens that has zoom/focus controls mounted on the handles. I still think the double hand grips look silly and out of touch with real working conditions.

Put a lens on your mock-up that is "real". Meaning one that has the remote zoom controls. The current example may work for some film projects but will not cut it for many other applications.

A handle? I know you don't want to follow the typical ENG cam layout but...you need to be able to carry that camera securely. A strap will not do that. You need something strong and reliable.

Maybe it's time for some to admit this camera will not fit everyone's needs. It's more for productions which have time and patience. It doesn't seem to be evolving into anything which will meet news gathering needs. That's ok. Panavision is still in business for now! They aren't worried about having their cameras used for news and documentaries. Maybe Red should take the same tact.

What would it look like with a top light on it?

There are so many new and lighter battery systems out there. Smaller than what you show. Why not mock-up a camera with one of them?

Just some thoughts and an effort to be helpful.:)
 
A minor point, but I'd like to see the shoulder pad slope to match the natural downward slope of the shoulder. Even better would be an adjustable pad support or interchangeable pads. As with my previous suggestions, RED is probably ahead of me on this. I think that each time they make a prototype and get to see it and try it out they probably start brainstorming ideas even before they put it out for us to see.

It's nice to hear that the balance is good even at this point. I'm still inclined to want to do everything possible to lower the center of gravity (battery/drive back and low down, possibly even slightly less gap between shoulder pad and bottom of camera).
 
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