C300: External Recorder

C500 can shoot at high frame rates. GoPro Hero 3+ also has the high speed specs that you need.

You may decide what your clients can afford and accordingly buy the camera.
 
You will be very disappointed if you buy a c500 and and a CD ODq7 and then pay a 1500 up charge to find out that slomo is not yet implemented- it is "promised". I have been waiting 8 months for the promise to come thru, I have had to rent a slowmo camera 5 times and soon to be a sixth in that time of the "promised upgrade". I could have bought an FS700 and paid the up charge to CD to get fast frame rates on my OD7q for what it cost in rentals.

I love the C500 and the ODq7 for what it does, but they never should have charged so much for an upgrade that still does not exist. Only buy something that does what it says it will do- I have learned the hard way, If you buy a fs700 you certainly get your moneys worth with the OD7q- CD has made sure you were taken care of at half the up charge of the C500.
 
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lightstrum said:
You will be very disappointed if you buy a c500 and and a CD ODq7 and then pay a 1500 up charge to find out that slomo is not yet implemented- it is "promised". I have been waiting 8 months for the promise to come thru, I have had to rent a slowmo camera 5 times and soon to be a sixth in that time of the "promised upgrade". I could have bought an FS700 and paid the up charge to CD to get fast frame rates on my OD7q for what it cost in rentals.

I love the C500 and the ODq7 for what it does, but they never should have charged so much for an upgrade that still does not exist. Only buy someone that does what it says it will do- I have learned the hard way, If you buy a fs700 you certainly get your moneys worth with the OD7q- CD has made sure you were taken care of at half the up charge of the C500.
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I must say that your post is an eyeopener, especially when I am eyeing a C500 and counting my coins for buying it with a CD7q. I agree one should only buy what is there now as you can never be sure if the promise is fulfilled. If they do after a long delay, then it becomes meaningless.
 
What do you mean? Im confused.
If I have the C500 and the O7q I will not be able to record slow motion?
Then how?

The epic does seem to suite me more for its frame rates, but I dont think its a great choice for Doc/live event shoots, right?
Plus, if Im not mistaken, it is still double the price of the C300. Would not be able to afford it.
 
DDirector said:
What do you mean? Im confused.
If I have the C500 and the O7q I will not be able to record slow motion?
Then how?

The epic does seem to suite me more for its frame rates, but I dont think its a great choice for Doc/live event shoots, right?
Plus, if Im not mistaken, it is still double the price of the C300. Would not be able to afford it.
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Yes, I was confused too. In my excitement of being able to buy the C500 and & CD OD7Q and being promised a first quarter of this year implementation of higher frame rates, I went ahead and booked things that needed higher frame rates. Well here I and everybody else with a c500 sits waiting for them to make good on their promises, while we rent cameras to fill in until they deliver. I am personally furious with CD for charging me so much extra and not delivering whilst FS700 owners paid half and have been much better looked after. It is extremely frustrating to have to carry a whole other camera system overseas because CD can't or has more important things to do than deliver on their promises.
 
lightstrum said:
Yes, I was confused too. In my excitement of being able to buy the C500 and & CD OD7Q and being promised a first quarter of this year implementation of higher frame rates, I went ahead and booked things that needed higher frame rates. Well here I and everybody else with a c500 sits waiting for them to make good on their promises, while we rent cameras to fill in until they deliver. I am personally furious with CD for charging me so much extra and not delivering whilst FS700 owners paid half and have been much better looked after. It is extremely frustrating to have to carry a whole other camera system overseas because CD can't or has more important things to do than deliver on their promises.
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Oh, so its not the camera itself, but CD.

If I use a different recorder though, I probably wont have this issue?
Like with the Atomos Shogun?
 
DDirector said:
What do you mean? Im confused.
If I have the C500 and the O7q I will not be able to record slow motion?
Then how?

The epic does seem to suite me more for its frame rates, but I dont think its a great choice for Doc/live event shoots, right?
Plus, if Im not mistaken, it is still double the price of the C300. Would not be able to afford it.
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Double??? When you add on all the accessories (LCD, batteries, memory cards, etc.) on it it will be more than double.
By the way, the C500 with an external recorder is about twice the price of a C300.
 
DDirector said:
Oh, so its not the camera itself, but CD.

If I use a different recorder though, I probably wont have this issue?
Like with the Atomos Shogun?
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Do you ever read the specs?..google is your friend!

2 things that you need to know when combining a camcorder and a external recorder...

1-What comes out of the camcorder's output...frame rate and resolution
2-What is the maximum resolution and frame rate that the external recorder CAN record
 
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We are working to zoon deliver high frame rate capture from the Canon C500. We are committed to capture all outputs possible from this camera.

Atomos has not indicated (to my knowledge) that the Shogun will be capable of capturing the RAW output of the Canon C500. It is a unique file format and coding must be written with this camera specifically in mind. This coding must then also go through an approval process with Canon, which is no small affair.
 
GaryinCalifornia said:
Mitch is it possible to still get high frame rates out of the C500 with out using Canon's high file format...
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The C500 outputs up to 120fps in 2K/HD, but the O7Q currently only supports recording that signal up to 30p in DPX format or ProResHQ for HD resolution. It can record 60p RMF (raw) files with 4K output enabled.

Really hoping some C500 love comes down the pipe soon from CD...
 
CD needs to shift some of the people who write the O7Q roadmaps and marketing materials over to the software/ implementation side to balance things out. As far as the C500 implementation goes with the O7Q, they are lagging. FS700 owners are happy I'm sure. OTOH the O7Q is a pretty nice monitor with a pile of features, and it can do some recording too.
 
Mitch Gross said:
We are working to zoon deliver high frame rate capture from the Canon C500. We are committed to capture all outputs possible from this camera.

Atomos has not indicated (to my knowledge) that the Shogun will be capable of capturing the RAW output of the Canon C500. It is a unique file format and coding must be written with this camera specifically in mind. This coding must then also go through an approval process with Canon, which is no small affair.
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So do we understand that the coding for C500 been done and is awaiting approval from Canon?
 
Mitch was referring to Atmos needing approval from Canon. CD has had it from Canon for a long time. They just chose to charge double for the Canon upgrades because it is a smaller market than the Fs700 and as we now know they put most of the implementation time into the Sony so those owners got the implementation much faster. Guess who owns an FS700 and not a C500? I rest my case.
 
lightstrum said:
Mitch was referring to Atmos needing approval from Canon. CD has had it from Canon for a long time. They just chose to charge double for the Canon upgrades because it is a smaller market than the Fs700 and as we now know they put most of the implementation time into the Sony so those owners got the implementation much faster. Guess who owns an FS700 and not a C500? I rest my case.
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There are many false assumptions in the above statements.

We are fully committed to supporting both the C500 and the FS700.
 
cowpunk52 said:
The C500 outputs up to 120fps in 2K/HD, but the O7Q currently only supports recording that signal up to 30p in DPX format or ProResHQ for HD resolution. It can record 60p RMF (raw) files with 4K output enabled.

Really hoping some C500 love comes down the pipe soon from CD...
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Can you tell me what frame rates the C500 records to the internal cards? With no external recorder is attached is it the same as a C300?
 
Mitch Gross said:
There are many false assumptions in the above statements.

We are fully committed to supporting both the C500 and the FS700.
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Really? Fully committed to both c500 and fs700? The facts on the ground bear witness to the fs700 not to the c500. "committed and promised" are very easy things to throw around. Where is the actuality? All in the fs700 camp. Please don't stretch credulity. CD has taken double the money from c500 owners and delivered half the product.

Sorry Mitch, but this weekend I have to rent, yet again a 120fps camera and I am pissed off about it.
 
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