EX1 compare to GY-HM700U

I heard a rumour that the 700 can also record in this 'ISO' format as the new little sister (without needing the SxS adaptor), can anyone confirm or squash this?

Surely JVC doesn't only want to sell this thing to FCP users....

Or does JVC at least provide the equivalent of Clip Broswer to re-wrap MOV to MXF?
 
That ISO format is MP4 I believe. You will need the adaptor to unlock SxS recording on the camera. I don't think there is a software that will allow re-wrapping or wrapping MOV to MXF.

For the MP4 format:
If you are using AVID, you will use the Sony Clip manager.
Edius and Adobe has native support for MP4 files.
 
EC Junior said:
That ISO format is MP4 I believe. You will need the adaptor to unlock SxS recording on the camera. I don't think there is a software that will allow re-wrapping or wrapping MOV to MXF.

For the MP4 format:
If you are using AVID, you will use the Sony Clip manager.
Edius and Adobe has native support for MP4 files.
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Sounds like a business opportunity.:)
 
EC Junior said:
That ISO format is MP4 I believe. ....
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I don't think so, because the HM100 does 'ISO' format direct to SD media. I am thinking this 'ISO' format is a m2t MPG2 Transport stream that other external media recorders capture too (like the Sony CF recorder for their HDV cameras).

While I'd prefer at least the option of MXF capture in the HM700, I could at least live with a m2t option or at least a piece of JVC bundled software to batch re-wrap MOV to MXF.
 
If it truly is a 1280x720 spatial offset system, it should be able to perform very well as a 1080p camera. If it's 960x540 with H/V offset, then it'll do great as 720p and it'll do okay as 1080p, but not as sharp as an EX1 or HPX300.


Well,I compared the files that were uploaded by Dashwood at another forum,I met some trouble couldn't register on there......So,Did anyone see the final quality difference between 1080/24P and 720/25P,The names of 2 shots are "DASH0105_01_1080p24-MP4", and "DASH0111_01_720p25-MP4".
I upload both first frame which were exported directly in Edius 5.0.
In 1080/24P's image,It seems blur a little,especially at edges of green tree places......
But in the 720/25P's image ,It's very sharp than the 1080 one,and most of 720P are pretty good result! But in 1080 shots,Not one is sharp as well as 720P's.
So ,Dose this proved what Barry said?
 

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But,,For the definition of images,Who doesn't like get more clear?
Whatever the different cameras in different classes?
Because they are similar price,So i think they have possibility to compare:)
It seems that the comparision is between CCD with 1/3 & CMOS with 1/2 ;)
 
Mr. Chen, your logic on what constitutes a "class" is incorrect. It is not price alone. However, you do point out the major difference: "CCD with 1/3 & CMOS with 1/2." These are two different classes.
 
They might be different classes, but it all comes down to how much can I get for my money.

I don't see an issue comparing any camera. We all have different needs and it is nice to know the strong and weak points when cameras are next to each other.

Going into a purchase with eyes wide open is the best.

Leave the classes to the automobile marketing world!
 
Bassman2003 said:
They might be different classes, but it all comes down to how much can I get for my money.

I don't see an issue comparing any camera. We all have different needs and it is nice to know the strong and weak points when cameras are next to each other.

Going into a purchase with eyes wide open is the best.

Leave the classes to the automobile marketing world!
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I understand what you're saying, and to a point I agree with your comments. However, I do not agree with your closing remark.

As pointed out elsewhere by Alister Chapman, the Sony EX cameras have been approved for high definition production by both the Discovery and the National Geographic channels. Slap on a NanoFlash and the cameras are approved for production by the BBC and other very persnickety producers. The unfortunately truth is this does not hold true for the JVC GY-HM700U.

Bottom line... These two cameras are not comparable. So if we want to provide users with accurate and informative facts enabling them to go "into a purchase with eyes wide open," suggesting these camersa are comparable would be totally misleading.

If it's simply a matter of money, leave it at that and move on.
 
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I agree with your points as well, but your use of the term comparable is a bit out of context.

People want to compare cameras. See the image quality differences, ergonomics etc...

That is what I was speaking to.

I never said these two cameras were comparable. That gives the meaning like they are equal.

I don't think comparing and comparable are the same thing in this context.

But I will stand by my opinion that "classes" are for marketers.

Let the comparison show that one camera is better than the other.

The reality is that these more expensive cameras are sometimes difficult to get some time with unless you pay to rent. It is nice to get some opinions & details to help with a decision.
 
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So we agree to disagree agreeably.

Classifications serve a very real purpose. Whether or not one recognizes that is another story.

Consider: "Has anyone done a comparison between the Arriflex D-21 and JVC GY-HM700U? The JVC GY-HM700U price seems quite reasonable."
 
Jay Gladwell said:
So we agree to disagree agreeably.

Classifications serve a very real purpose. Whether or not one recognizes that is another story.

Consider: "Has anyone done a comparison between the Arriflex D-21 and JVC GY-HM700U? The JVC GY-HM700U price seems quite reasonable."
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Well, to be fair here, I think his point was, that when cameras COST the SAME
amount (or very close to the same amount) THEN many people desire to see
the comparison.....how do these cameras stack up to each other?
Marketers may tell you that one is in a different 'class' than the other because
it is a shoulder mount, not a handheld, but still, when the prices are very similar,
people want to know how they compare to each other, what the strengths and
weaknesses of each is. So, comparing an Arriflex D-21 and a JVC GY-HM700U....
well, I'm guessing that the price difference between the two is not real close.

To use an earlier comparison, if you have 21 grand to spend and are shopping for
a car, you may look at a SUV, a truck, and a sedan......all of which may cost
21 grand. They have different 'features' and each are good at different things.
But they all cost between 19-21 grand, so you compare them anyways, see
which one fits your needs best, and choose that one. You do NOT look at
a forty thousand dollar Hummer, because you have 21 grand to spend. For
many people in this economy, they are looking at the money they have to spend,
and then trying to maximize it. Manufacturers would rather you look at what
you want, and then buy it, regardless of price, because after all, you can finance it
(I've had a TON of car dealers try this stunt with me!) But to many buyers,
price is the determining factor, so things that are priced similarly are going to
be compared, even if they are in different 'classes'.
 
"The Arriflex is a bit more filmic, but not as well suited for use with your NLE".

Agree to disagree is the best way. We can discuss without offense.

I think Alaskacameradude summed up my points better than I could.

It sounds shallow to be all about money, but we all have budgets.
 
But... Since the price is similar, one is hard-pressed to understand why anyone would buy the JVC over an Ex1/Ex3 - Why? To save yourself from jello-skew on those 1 in 200 shots where it actually shows?

Why buy something of a lower class for the same money? What possible advantage could thid have?
 
Robert Ruffo said:
Since the price is similar, one is hard-pressed to understand why anyone would buy the JVC over an Ex1/Ex3 - Why?
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Perhaps because they want to use it handheld? The Sonys are horrendous at that.

Perhaps because they need to shoot directly to Quicktime files -- the Sonys don't do that.

Perhaps because they need interchangeable lenses? The EX1 doesn't offer that.

Perhaps because they prefer the image, for whatever reason? Jello and Skew may be fine for you, but not fine for that buyer?

Why buy something of a lower class for the same money? What possible advantage could thid have?
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Perhaps for a million reasons. There are reasons that different products are on the market. Each finds a buyer who has preferences that it matches. And if it doesn't find those buyers, it won't stay on the market long.
 
And perhaps they don't want to spend a fortune on media when there's a lower cost alternative that suits their needs better...
 
But....

- An Ex3 offers lens switching.

-You can buy a media adapter - it works fine - I don;t see what could be cheaper than SD cards.

- For $500 or so you can make your Ex1/EX3 very easy to shoulder/ handhold with DVrigpro or similiar.

- Jello and skew are almost NEVER (I have seen it twice in about 1800 shots so far) a problem. I don't think skew is OK, I just think if it is not visible it is not really there, is it.

- It seem odd to prefer a grainier, lower resolution picture with heavy optical flaws. It's a like saying you prefer the look of SD-DVD over BluRay. Maybe this is possible, but unlikely to get many clients to agree and pay up.

So what real advantages are left? I say this because I wonder how worse-option brands survive at all, especially for a technical product.

"It suits their needs" What need? To produce lowish quality work?
 
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