EX1 compare to GY-HM700U

Yeah I'm with you there. I had the an Hd110 and i really liked it. But there are so many little things that I had issues with that IMO JVC has ignored or is ignoring with the HM700 that I will not be getting one either.

I still don't understand why these companies don't put a c-mount on these little 1/3" cameras instead of the silly 1/3" bayonet mount. That would open up the options for lenses so much it would be killer.
 
Question regarding the recording format. I know the 700 records to native mov files which is great for FCP users. Can those files be downloaded directly into Vegas Pro 9 or do you have to go the SXS option?
 
RYoshino said:
Question regarding the recording format. I know the 700 records to native mov files which is great for FCP users. Can those files be downloaded directly into Vegas Pro 9 or do you have to go the SXS option?
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You no longer have to go with the SXS option with the latest firmware. You can record directly to native Sony EX format on the SDHC cards and bring directly into Vegas or any other NLE that supports it. Sort of feel sorry for those that bought the 500.00 adaptor.
 
zeke said:
You no longer have to go with the SXS option with the latest firmware. You can record directly to native Sony EX format on the SDHC cards and bring directly into Vegas or any other NLE that supports it. Sort of feel sorry for those that bought the 500.00 adaptor.
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Zeke, are you referring to the EX1 with a SDHC adapter and firmware 1.1?
 
Thanks...I am primarily a sports, wedding/event videographer and am concerned with the CMOS flash problems. Can any one eloborate their experience with any flash/strobing problems with the Sonys?
 
Lor said:
Zeke, are you referring to the EX1 with a SDHC adapter and firmware 1.1?
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Referring to the HM700. The initial version requred you to get a SXS adaptor to record to the mxf format. With the latest firmware, that requirement is removed.
On the HM100, you could always pick between mov or mxf format.
 
RYoshino said:
Thanks...I am primarily a sports, wedding/event videographer and am concerned with the CMOS flash problems. Can any one eloborate their experience with any flash/strobing problems with the Sonys?
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I have both EX-1 and EX-3 and have also reviewed the HM700.

My honest advice when it comes to cameras is to listen to advice, read reviews (preferably mine, of course) and then test it for yourself.

Rent both cameras or work with your pro dealer to allow you the use of a demo camera. Shoot with each under your typical shooting conditions. Only you know what is acceptable to you. CCD cameras may be subject to smear. CMOS cameras do have flash-band issues. Latest Sony Clip Browser has a flash band repair function (just as the Panasonic HPX300 has a firmware remedy). See what you think in terms of ergonomics for you. Personally, the EX-1 is very hard for me use purely handheld without a rig (I use a DV MultiRig). The HM700 is beautifully balanced for shoulder shooting. I find it a bit harder holding at hip level. But that's just me, with small hands and small wrist-bones. Your mileage may vary.

Ned Soltz
 
RYoshino said:
Thanks...I am primarily a sports, wedding/event videographer and am concerned with the CMOS flash problems. Can any one eloborate their experience with any flash/strobing problems with the Sonys?
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I very rarely see the flash bands, almost non-existent for me, by shooting with "Shutter Off." There is a switch for this. When you shoot with the shutter off, you get a 360 degree shutter. I shot all kinds of flashing stuff that didn't flash-band, police cruiser strobe lights, flashes from still cameras etc. It also depends on how close, and how powerful the flashes are.

I'm not saying the problem with flash banding isn't there, just that the effect is mitigated if certain techniques (like shutter off) can be appropriate to the situation. Shutter off is useful for me, in many low light situations.

Skew, jello and flash banding are REAL phenomenons with CMOS XDCAM, but the instance for me has been usually rare. Jello-cam wiggling is most easily seen by lightly rapping on the camera with your hand while it is locked down securely on a tripod in a fixed position, more so than from whip pans where skew could be evident. Of the three, I'd characterize them all as situational, and normally slight, but they are real.
 
Flash and Jello? Not really a problem for most real world circumstances

Flash and Jello? Not really a problem for most real world circumstances

Tom Roper said:
Skew, jello and flash banding are REAL phenomenons with CMOS XDCAM, but the instance for me has been usually rare. Jello-cam wiggling is most easily seen by lightly rapping on the camera with your hand while it is locked down securely on a tripod in a fixed position, more so than from whip pans where skew could be evident. Of the three, I'd characterize them all as situational, and normally slight, but they are real.
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Here's a little compilation of camera flashes recorded on an EX1 - some shots are 'Shutter off'. In almost two years, I've not received a single comment about the phenomenon:

http://www.mdma.tv/ex1/flashes.html - warning: contains flash photgraphy :)

The instances of 'Jello-cam' are, again, no problem at all in 99.997% of circumstances I've had in the same period. The sort of camerawork that makes for Jellocam is not the sort of camerawork my audiences want to watch. I've done dolly shots, 360 degree pans, whip pans, all with no problems at all.

BUT I DO NOT DO SFX SHOTS - I'd test very carefully if I were doing motion tracking shots (as a background plate for PFtrack or PFhoe) and I'd consider a plug-in that corrects for a CMOS shutter if I were.

And the one real-world situation where CMOS can be a bit of a problem is when you're tripod-mounted on a surface with low frequency vibration - like over the engine on a largish boat:

http://www.mdma.tv/ex1/cmos_vibration.html

But quite frankly, if I got that shot on a CCD camera, it still wouldn't have worked.
 
Thanks for the info..I did read Ned's review of the 700 in DV mag and coming from an EX owner, he did give it an excellent review. I believe the form factor will be a big factor for me as game coverage usually extends 3 or more hours.
 
I would have to say that my V1Us and VX2000s were worse, ergonomically, than the EX1. The only advantage they had was that they were light, but without a rotating handgrip, you pretty much had to twist your wrist in an unnatural bend to shoot with those cameras.
People complain because the EX1 is a lot of hardware to hold by hand for long hours. Personally, I don't find it uncomfortable. I walked around with it for 7 hours during a July 4 event, shooting just about everything around me and it didn't kill me nor cause great discomfort.
 
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