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Jim Arthurs said:
this doesn´t make sense, why would you use a complex and rather expensive optical device between your eye and the actual vf if you could do it like this http://www.vfgadgets.com/VFextentionArm.htm or use one of the higher mounting holes on Red rail
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Jaime Valles
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As long as you don't forget the RECORD button, it's all good. :beer:
These renders look spectacular! I'm especially digging the last one, with the battery folded down instead of up, allowing for easy access to the rear controls. Very smart.
2007 looks to be a great year, indeed. Merry Christmas, Team RED!
These renders look spectacular! I'm especially digging the last one, with the battery folded down instead of up, allowing for easy access to the rear controls. Very smart.
2007 looks to be a great year, indeed. Merry Christmas, Team RED!
Jim Arthurs
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kalone said:
Kalone, check my earlier posts in this thread... I'm not after anything with actual optics in it! Just a physical extension of the distance, provided by an empty tube and leveler system with the same esthetics of the actual EVF.
The solution you linked to looks functional, but feels like a hack compared to something that would naturally flow from the RED design and new EVF...
Brook Willard
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:laugh: those products always make my day... they're nearly $2,000!kalone said:
Gibby
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Whoa...take one evening off from the forum, and up pops kick-ass new renders and a 7-page thread! That'll teach me to take a night off...
Firstly...great design and render work Jim! You're a rare blend of artist, techie, manager, and journalist.
When the camera design and specs are finalized there will be a few pathological whiners that find something to complain about – few of which will have reserved a camera, but who nevertheless feel compelled to moan. No matter what you do in life there will always be someone there to tell you you’re wrong. If you believe in yourself, and in the constructive criticism of those around you (which you obviously do), then “No worries Mate!” Those of us who reserved cameras, or rent them for projects, will be out producing projects (and making money) while the negative naysayers watch their market share gradually erode away.
Let me add to the many good observations already posted on this thread:
EVF
I love that the EVF can be mounted anywhere on the camera system. There are times, and production genres, where we need to move the EVF around. We can even mount it on the right side of the camera and use our left eye – something that will allow longtime shoulder held shooters to counteract trapezious muscle cramps, spine curvature, and lazy-eye syndrome. 3rd party multi-position rails and extensions complete the equation.
Handle locks
Many of us have lobbied for multi-position handle locks. Looks like that made the cut so far. For those who do a lot of creative hand held work (low, high, side, etc.), multi-position handle locks are like gold! Example: being able to flip the camera top handle all the way forward for handheld (especially low-angle) is critical for balancing the camera when it is front-heavy with a heavy lens and not enough counterbalance weight on the back (battery, etc.). Love it! Also, being able to swing the lower front handles of the sled out to variable angles is great for various types of handheld shooting. Very nice…
LCD mounting
Being able to custom mount the LCD anywhere is very cool, especially for those who do multiple styles of shooting in a variety of genres. Each equipment configuration will call for a different place for the LCD, or the ability to use no LCD at all. Flexibility in using (or not using) and mounting the LCD is most welcome.
Low center of gravity
The last render, with the RED Raid and battery rotated low will make stabilization unit users smile. There are certain configurations of stabilization units that really call for a low-profile camera system and a low center of gravity. There are also many shoulder held and hand held uses that can benefit from that.
Aesthetics
RED One can be likened to a diamond. The first renders were necessarily a more rough stone. You’ve progressively cut more facets in the stone, polished, then cut more and polished, until now the diamond is nearly complete. Nice artwork, feel for usable and practical aesthetics, and thanks for listening to and incorporating the input of working professionals.
Last Take
There are some additional positive observations I could make, but I’ll stop here. Nobody, including me, will get all the features they suggested included in RED One. Future revisions of the camera system, and especially 3rd party accessories, should take care of any additional operational needs. Those who compliment someone on their work are often tagged as fanboys or cheerleaders by those who have nothing better to do than offer constantly negative criticism. That is water off a ducks back to me. I’m a straight shooter (no pun intended!). I’ll give constructive criticism where it’s needed, and praise where it’s warranted. In my professional opinion Jim and the RED Team have really set their egos aside, listened to us in the RED One design process, used what made practical sense within the time constraints – and the results are simply stunning!
RED is a family open for all to join. Using the well-known line from Oceans Eleven: “Are you in – or are you out?”
Thanks RED…
Firstly...great design and render work Jim! You're a rare blend of artist, techie, manager, and journalist.
When the camera design and specs are finalized there will be a few pathological whiners that find something to complain about – few of which will have reserved a camera, but who nevertheless feel compelled to moan. No matter what you do in life there will always be someone there to tell you you’re wrong. If you believe in yourself, and in the constructive criticism of those around you (which you obviously do), then “No worries Mate!” Those of us who reserved cameras, or rent them for projects, will be out producing projects (and making money) while the negative naysayers watch their market share gradually erode away.
Let me add to the many good observations already posted on this thread:
EVF
I love that the EVF can be mounted anywhere on the camera system. There are times, and production genres, where we need to move the EVF around. We can even mount it on the right side of the camera and use our left eye – something that will allow longtime shoulder held shooters to counteract trapezious muscle cramps, spine curvature, and lazy-eye syndrome. 3rd party multi-position rails and extensions complete the equation.
Handle locks
Many of us have lobbied for multi-position handle locks. Looks like that made the cut so far. For those who do a lot of creative hand held work (low, high, side, etc.), multi-position handle locks are like gold! Example: being able to flip the camera top handle all the way forward for handheld (especially low-angle) is critical for balancing the camera when it is front-heavy with a heavy lens and not enough counterbalance weight on the back (battery, etc.). Love it! Also, being able to swing the lower front handles of the sled out to variable angles is great for various types of handheld shooting. Very nice…
LCD mounting
Being able to custom mount the LCD anywhere is very cool, especially for those who do multiple styles of shooting in a variety of genres. Each equipment configuration will call for a different place for the LCD, or the ability to use no LCD at all. Flexibility in using (or not using) and mounting the LCD is most welcome.
Low center of gravity
The last render, with the RED Raid and battery rotated low will make stabilization unit users smile. There are certain configurations of stabilization units that really call for a low-profile camera system and a low center of gravity. There are also many shoulder held and hand held uses that can benefit from that.
Aesthetics
RED One can be likened to a diamond. The first renders were necessarily a more rough stone. You’ve progressively cut more facets in the stone, polished, then cut more and polished, until now the diamond is nearly complete. Nice artwork, feel for usable and practical aesthetics, and thanks for listening to and incorporating the input of working professionals.
Last Take
There are some additional positive observations I could make, but I’ll stop here. Nobody, including me, will get all the features they suggested included in RED One. Future revisions of the camera system, and especially 3rd party accessories, should take care of any additional operational needs. Those who compliment someone on their work are often tagged as fanboys or cheerleaders by those who have nothing better to do than offer constantly negative criticism. That is water off a ducks back to me. I’m a straight shooter (no pun intended!). I’ll give constructive criticism where it’s needed, and praise where it’s warranted. In my professional opinion Jim and the RED Team have really set their egos aside, listened to us in the RED One design process, used what made practical sense within the time constraints – and the results are simply stunning!
RED is a family open for all to join. Using the well-known line from Oceans Eleven: “Are you in – or are you out?”
Thanks RED…
I really like it. When I get mine I think I'll just cradle it in my arms for an hour or so, and just pet it- felling all of it's sleek sexiness.
Question?? Non of the following is in order. I heard mention of a flip out screen before, possibly on left side. The EVF and LCD screen. If there are three possibilities- why would we need all. Could we get by with only the LCD screen?
Question?? Non of the following is in order. I heard mention of a flip out screen before, possibly on left side. The EVF and LCD screen. If there are three possibilities- why would we need all. Could we get by with only the LCD screen?
Brook Willard
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No flip-out screen. The LCD you're seeing on the camera is what the body will ship with for reservation holders. The thing that looks like a flip-out LCD is actually the optical RAW port plate.
The EVF is not included in the purchase price but is an absolute must for certain types of shooting.
It is completely dependent on you whether or not the included LCD will cut it.
The EVF is not included in the purchase price but is an absolute must for certain types of shooting.
It is completely dependent on you whether or not the included LCD will cut it.
ChrisForbes
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It's a very clean design. Hopefully it will get a little more messy. Where are the switches for whitebalance presets, color bars, auto knee, etc. that typically grace the side of a broadcast cam going to be located?
Jaime Valles
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ChrisForbes said:
But isn't the point of shooting in RAW that you don't need any of that?? All one has to worry about is focus and exposure, just like a film camera. Everything else (from white balance to gamma curves to contrast, brightness, effects, etc.) gets handled in post (using REDCINE). Or am I missing something?
no, your right. RAW means exactly that.. what goes through the lens shoots directly through to the reddrive or redcode or whatever its called. no digital processing. even if you did do processing in the camera before you shoot, you would most likely end up changing that stuff in post anyways.jrv3034 said:
jesus nice nice nice.
and jrv3034 gets the workflow perfectly.. shoot like film, and make non-locked in corrections in post.
and jrv3034 gets the workflow perfectly.. shoot like film, and make non-locked in corrections in post.
ChrisForbes
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Okay
What will the EVF be displaying? High Res Black and White?
What goes out of the HDSDI port?
What will the EVF be displaying? High Res Black and White?
What goes out of the HDSDI port?
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a bad-ass example on how great modular is, how you can take the EVF from the front and mount it on the back.
Thanks Jim.
Thanks Jim.
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