Canon R5 Announced with 8k

This is interesting. Supposedly if you remove the cards from the camera you can record in 4K HQ externally to an Atomos Ninja V with the R5 for up to 4 hours continuously:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnG00Fhu5pI

Previous tests of external recording in the downsampled 4K HQ mode only achieved 45 to 75 minutes before overheating. Removing the cards from the camera does turn off the heat-related recording countdown timer (since that is aimed at internal recording), and so it's possible that this somehow affects the camera's shutdown logic, although the reasons for this are unclear. 4K 60 output to an external recorder evidently does not cause overheating independent of whether there are cards in the camera.

Not sure if anyone else has reproduced these results yet, but another interesting data point in the overheating saga.
 
Hope this makes the rounds and the overall noise gets louder so Canon can release a firmware update with "general performance improvements".

It's the only way...universal displeasure with no C-Log in the 5D Mark IV woke them up a bit.
 
Yeah I don't see why it couldn't perform similarly with the cards inside. Seems like DLD was right.

I'd snap up an R6 if they fixed this. But if I always had to record to a Ninja....less appealing
 
Programming/locking hardware isn't anything new in the industry. We've all been talking about it for years. Some conspiracy theories are justified and even validated.

You have to pay an additional thousands of dollars to unlock ARRI's cameras' features (if you want them). Kinefinity used to do the same thing. RED does it through modules and accessories.

Cameras are computers. They have advanced incredibly and there are many low-priced options that offer a lot of power and value, but you still need to pay a lot of money for the superior hardware.

Apple won't give you a Mac Pro in a MacBook Air. (We know this.)

Canon's R5 is a MacBook Pro (with some thermal throttling too!).
 
NorBro said:
Programming/locking hardware isn't anything new in the industry. We've all been talking about it for years. Some conspiracy theories are justified and even validated.

You have to pay an additional thousands of dollars to unlock ARRI's cameras' features (if you want them). Kinefinity used to do the same thing. RED does it through modules and accessories...
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Anyone remembers F5 4K debacle?

PS. And, yes, the "overheating" is semi-mythical.
 
This reviewer similarly reports 2+ hours of external recording in 4K HQ. I suppose one benefit of external recording is easier to edit 10-bit ProRes files over the H.265 internal recordings.

The video also has a comparison between 8K RAW, 8K compressed, 4K HQ, regular 4K, and HD.

 
DLD said:
Anyone remembers F5 4K debacle?

PS. And, yes, the "overheating" is semi-mythical.
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You beat me to it. That was stone cold. Sony looked deep into the customers eyes while holding their hands and lied like a sociopath without so much as a blink or waiver in their voice. They were committed to selling that lie until doomsday.

There's little doubt in my mind that if they hadn't been caught red handed by someone hacking the camera, the F5 still would not be able to record 4K internally.
 
I'm still amazed at the sheer effort of people trying to turn this into a useful tool. So far we have "it works well as a $4k APS-C camera, comparable to a $1400 a6600/XT3/XT4" and "it works well if you record 4k externally, like you did on the original a7S in 2014". Before we knew the details, it seemed like the r5 would be the camera for internal recording (8k internal raw!) while the a7sIII was the one that required an external recorder in order to get RAW video. How ironic.
 
Samuel H said:
I'm still amazed at the sheer effort of people trying to turn this into a useful tool. So far we have "it works well as a $4k APS-C camera, comparable to a $1400 a6600/XT3/XT4" and "it works well if you record 4k externally, like you did on the original a7S in 2014". Before we knew the details, it seemed like the r5 would be the camera for internal recording (8k internal raw!) while the a7sIII was the one that required an external recorder in order to get RAW video. How ironic.
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Rubbish.

I spent all day testing yesterday. Footage looks great, cuts wonderfully with my C500 MKII and will earn me ££s on its first paid job tomorrow. But what do I know, I only do this for a living.
 
I can see things turning up from here. The External recorder with the internal cards removed takes a lot of pressure off for long form work. And the "normal" 4k footage with some attention in post can be brought up to a very close 2nd to the HQ mode. Enough for me to think there is enough wiggle room to make these cameras work for my business.

So maybe I can buy Norbro's when he sells it! :)
 
Bassman2003 said:
I can see things turning up from here. The External recorder with the internal cards removed takes a lot of pressure off for long form work. And the "normal" 4k footage with some attention in post can be brought up to a very close 2nd to the HQ mode. Enough for me to think there is enough wiggle room to make these cameras work for my business.

So maybe I can buy Norbro's when he sells it! :)
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This one has been a lot of fun, I feel that spark again...and I've been thinking about a 1DX Mark III too so someone just might get their wish... :)
 
Samuel H said:
I'm still amazed at the sheer effort of people trying to turn this into a useful tool. So far we have "it works well as a $4k APS-C camera, comparable to a $1400 a6600/XT3/XT4" and "it works well if you record 4k externally, like you did on the original a7S in 2014". Before we knew the details, it seemed like the r5 would be the camera for internal recording (8k internal raw!) while the a7sIII was the one that required an external recorder in order to get RAW video. How ironic.
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It's downsampled 8K, so in the HQ mode, it should be of the RGB quality. Ninja 5 is $600, so you get a 4K RGB camera with a great auto focus, a great lens selection, plus a monitor for $4,500. And there's nothing with that quality in that price range.
 
DLD said:
It's downsampled 8K, so in the HQ mode, it should be of the RGB quality. Ninja 5 is $600, so you get a 4K RGB camera with a great auto focus, a great lens selection, plus a monitor for $4,500. And there's nothing with that quality in that price range.
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Yeah but with Ninja V you still grab "only" 4:2:2 not 4:4:4
 
dia3olik said:
Yeah but with Ninja V you still grab "only" 4:2:2 not 4:4:4
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F65 was 17.6 MPX, 4K 4:2:2, regardless of how Sony advertised it. Unless there are some unwanted artifacts, R5/Ninja5 combo delivers top performance for its price range.

Now, not everyone needs that. Some can do just fine with Fuji, where X3 for $1,000 seems like a great buy. Others with go for A7SIII since it's good enough for their use and records internally with a robust enough codec. Others will wait for the upcoming C100MKIII announcement. And some will even change their trademarked site name. Just 'cos Canon screwed up a shoot.
 
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