Canon R5 Announced with 8k

NorBro said:
Nice, I think the quality would be very similar between the two...how are you grading them?
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Clog in Raw to Clog2 .... apply the Canon CLog2toWide709Lut ... Raw panel to adjust tint as it can be a little magenta with the LUT.

I have found that with the LUT I have to add a curve for HUE/Sat and pull down a bit of Red in faces ... less than 2 - 5% ... even when WB is
dead-on.

After the LUT and exposure/highlight correction ... mild contrast curve ... bit of Mist in sharpening .... DR grain.

I end up with 7 nodes but the wonderful thing is that if you are consistent with WB ... the same color workflow works for almost any
situation ... just need to rebalance for Sat/Lift/Highlights depending on the prevailing light.

No attempt at Cinematic grade but assume it would add over the top of this without much pain ... lessen contrast add a bit more mist
mess with the colors.
 
ahalpert said:
What's funny to me is the esteem these reviewers are held in. Someone on the EOSHD forum referred to Andrew Reid (EOSHD founder) as "such an accomplished filmmaker" and I thought...really? I've never been impressed with anything he has shown and I'm not aware of his work being distributed. Same thing with Gerald Undone - some of the stuff he has showed looked horrid. There seems to be an inverse correlation between understanding engineering and having an aesthetic sensibility. Matt Allard, on the other hand, had a career shooting before his website and all his shooting looks great to me.
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I agree 100%. In fact, if I could agree more than 100%, I would :-)

I don't think you have to be a super great DoP to do camera reviews but it really annoys me when Youtubers pretend they are working professionals when they clearly aren't. I could name names of several well-known camera reviewers who claim they are world-class DoPs but in reality have no career outside of trade shows and reviews.

That said, never clicked Gerald Undone until his R5/R6 video (I thought he was a porn actor). His review was very good, quick and to the point without making it all about him, unlike 9/10 of the usual crowd I see.
 
Took my R5 for it's first paid gig today, using it as a B camera to my C500MKII and for stills, on the hottest day of the year in the UK. we were in a room with large windows and no airconditioning. It was hot and humid. Interviews rolled for just over two hours. My C500 was flashing its red temperature gauge after about five minutes. The R5, shooting 4K 25 was fine and felt cool to the touch despite recording to a CFExpress card. The AF was a level of magnitude better than the C500 and made life so easy. Haven't looked at the footage yet, so the jury is still out, but certainly, it was a breeze to work with.
 
Liam Hall said:
Interviews rolled for just over two hours. My C500 was flashing its red temperature gauge after about five minutes. The R5, shooting 4K 25 was fine and felt cool to the touch despite recording to a CFExpress card.
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This was 4K 25p HQ? Or regular 4K 25p?

Why do we think the AF is better on the R5 than the C500? You'd think that for what you're paying for the C500, that they could achieve parity...
 
ahalpert said:
This was 4K 25p HQ? Or regular 4K 25p?

Why do we think the AF is better on the R5 than the C500? You'd think that for what you're paying for the C500, that they could achieve parity...
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Regular 4K, not boost mode.

R5 has eye detect, C500 only has face detect. R5 was faster and made fewer mistakes. Of course, that could be down to the lenses, C500 had the older Sigma Art 35mm while the R5 had the 85mm Art. R5 has other useful features inexplicably missing on the C500, timelapse for example. That said, the C500 MKII is a stonkingly good camera.
 
Liam Hall said:
Regular 4K, not boost mode.

R5 has eye detect, C500 only has face detect. R5 was faster and made fewer mistakes. Of course, that could be down to the lenses, C500 had the older Sigma Art 35mm while the R5 had the 85mm Art. R5 has other useful features inexplicably missing on the C500, timelapse for example. That said, the C500 MKII is a stonkingly good camera.
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Did your C500 ever shut down? That would have made me nervous, seeing that overheating warning.
 
ahalpert said:
Why do we think the AF is better on the R5 than the C500? You'd think that for what you're paying for the C500, that they could achieve parity...
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No, no, no!

I shared this so many times on here...the stills cameras have always been better. Always.

They are designed to have superior photo AF, and whatever they are doing there has been transferring to the video side. For years now.
 
Liam Hall said:
That said, never clicked Gerald Undone until his R5/R6 video (I thought he was a porn actor). His review was very good, quick and to the point without making it all about him, unlike 9/10 of the usual crowd I see.
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After so much fun with double entendre at Gerald's expense, it's only fair to mention the clever one he used when closing his comparison review of the Edelkrone slider and the Rhino slider. After much frustration with repeated need for using hex wrenches on one of them, he closed the review this way:

"I hope you found this review helpful, or at least entertaining. If you did, make sure you leave it the old thumbs up and subscribing if you haven't already. If you did not find this video helpful or entertaining, then you're probably just big fan of Alan Keyes. Alright. I'm done."
 
NorBro said:
No, no, no!

I shared this so many times on here...the stills cameras have always been better. Always.

They are designed to have superior photo AF, and whatever they are doing there has been transferring to the video side. For years now.
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I have to agree with you here. Our lowly 80D AF is better than our C200 or C300 MKII AF, hands down. It latches on and just works on the 80D but does all kinds of weird, inconsistent tracking on the two C cameras.
 
You can't tell from this crappy jpg upload but the R5 in normal 4K mode cuts perfectly fine with C500 MKII as a B Cam for interviews. More than enough resolution, particularly if most of it is blurred like mine normally are LOL.

Would be great to see Clog2/3 for their extra dynamic range, but I don't think it's going to be too painful to match these cameras.

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Liam Hall said:
You can't tell from this crappy jpg upload but the R5 in normal 4K mode cuts perfectly fine with C500 MKII as a B Cam for interviews. More than enough resolution, particularly if most of it is blurred like mine normally are LOL.

Would be great to see Clog2/3 for their extra dynamic range, but I don't think it's going to be too painful to match these cameras.
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looks great Liam. That's what I said.
1st image has a tad more saturation and tends towards green. Easy to fix and the client probably doesn't see it
 
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C-Log's default is 'EOS Cinema Original'...maybe try 'Neutral' some time for less saturation (if you'd like and if you didn't use it above).
 
NorBro said:
C-Log's default is 'EOS Cinema Original'...maybe try 'Neutral' some time for less saturation (if you'd like and if you didn't use it above).
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I actually shot 'Neutral' and was surprised how much saturation there was. Way more than I'm used to but should be easy to dial down.
 
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