Canon R5 Announced with 8k
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rob norton
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Why don't many YT personalities have their own websites in the description? They have countless affiliate links, social media links etc. but rarely post their own website.
Is this one of the terms if you're in a particular channel category?
There's probably less point promoting their own website when nearly none of them shoot projects outside of youtube.
Is this one of the terms if you're in a particular channel category?
There's probably less point promoting their own website when nearly none of them shoot projects outside of youtube.
ahalpert
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Supposedly some reviewers are not having Clermond's luck with shooting 4KHQ video after an hour of stills shooting - https://www.eoshd.com/news/the-real...ium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+EOSHD+(EOSHD.com)
My prediction: Canon tweaks its firmware crippling to yield more consistent record times whether shooting stills or not, but also disables the long cardless external recording capability
My prediction: Canon tweaks its firmware crippling to yield more consistent record times whether shooting stills or not, but also disables the long cardless external recording capability
Beware of those firmware updates.
Signed - someone who once recommended Fuji XT3 to a friend.
Phil Holland
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Just popping in to share this particular graphic regarding the R5 and overheating:
I've seen a few people amazed that they could record 4K for hours via the HDMI. But they are all seemingly rolling 4K 30p or lower, which if you look above are not hindered by the sensor heat related issues.
You'll notice the two 4K modes that don't have heat limitations are either the APS-C mode or the binned pixel 4K. The scaled 8K>4K and higher resolution modes are accessing the full sensor's megapixels. I believe the HDMI mode is either using the binned mode or benefiting from the lack of heat generated by the increasingly warm growing CFexpress card in the bay. Which might allude to why they have a sensor there or not.
I've only had about 3 hours with the camera so far (Canon 5DsR is my main stills cam amidst other Canons and Sony bodies), but from what I can tell the overheating is mainly to protect the sensor from damaging itself, which oddly was a common thing on some other imagers often used in more scientific capacities. This is just a hot high resolution sensor in a scary compact body.
Outside of the cooling solutions offered by 3rd parties, I can see Canon offering something official for those focused on video. It needs active cooling much like some of the other newer cameras. More than likely they'll just make a more robust camera for video work as they do with the C series as that will solve the problem as well as provide more of a useful video-centric body. I don't think the rumored compact RF cinema camera would be exactly that, but perhaps they'll do a two tier release or something similar to the R5 and R6.
Just to make a strange point about something that likely will and can be tackled via a firmware update. In looking at the A7sIII is it currently doesn't offer 4K DCI 1.9:1 or 17:9 ratios, though the camera can 100% do that. UHD 4K is a crop from the full sensor from what I can tell. Here's a graphic showing that via my formatCompare tool:
http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare/formatCompare.cgi?makeA=Sony&modelA=A7s+III&formatA=UHD+4K&makeB=Sony&modelB=A7s+III&formatB=3%3A2+Still+FF&focalLengths=
Certainly enough sensor there to do 4096x2160.
I've seen a few people amazed that they could record 4K for hours via the HDMI. But they are all seemingly rolling 4K 30p or lower, which if you look above are not hindered by the sensor heat related issues.
You'll notice the two 4K modes that don't have heat limitations are either the APS-C mode or the binned pixel 4K. The scaled 8K>4K and higher resolution modes are accessing the full sensor's megapixels. I believe the HDMI mode is either using the binned mode or benefiting from the lack of heat generated by the increasingly warm growing CFexpress card in the bay. Which might allude to why they have a sensor there or not.
I've only had about 3 hours with the camera so far (Canon 5DsR is my main stills cam amidst other Canons and Sony bodies), but from what I can tell the overheating is mainly to protect the sensor from damaging itself, which oddly was a common thing on some other imagers often used in more scientific capacities. This is just a hot high resolution sensor in a scary compact body.
Outside of the cooling solutions offered by 3rd parties, I can see Canon offering something official for those focused on video. It needs active cooling much like some of the other newer cameras. More than likely they'll just make a more robust camera for video work as they do with the C series as that will solve the problem as well as provide more of a useful video-centric body. I don't think the rumored compact RF cinema camera would be exactly that, but perhaps they'll do a two tier release or something similar to the R5 and R6.
Just to make a strange point about something that likely will and can be tackled via a firmware update. In looking at the A7sIII is it currently doesn't offer 4K DCI 1.9:1 or 17:9 ratios, though the camera can 100% do that. UHD 4K is a crop from the full sensor from what I can tell. Here's a graphic showing that via my formatCompare tool:
http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare/formatCompare.cgi?makeA=Sony&modelA=A7s+III&formatA=UHD+4K&makeB=Sony&modelB=A7s+III&formatB=3%3A2+Still+FF&focalLengths=
Certainly enough sensor there to do 4096x2160.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
No - surely it's oversampling the full sensor width to get UHD? There is no crop up to 4k60p, right?
You get a crop (presumably from going pixel-to-pixel) when shooting 4k120p or using "active IBIS" digital stabilization
NorBro
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The way they do it is best for business. It's common to break everything down to the exact page so a person doesn't have to search the main site or shop. They just copy and paste the paragraph under each video (update as they go).
So when people read the description, they can see the various presets, plugins, merch, affiliate links, etc...maybe something will catch their eyes rather than one generic link.
NorBro
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rob norton
Veteran
Yes that's all fine but why not also include their personal website as one of them, even if it's the final link? With 20 other links it couldn't hurt?
I think it mostly comes down to like you say being best for business, which is making youtube videos.
MH and potato jet don't even have any video samples on their site, it's just courses and merch! I can't even find armando's website (searched his name as well as mondo bytes?).
NorBro
Major Contributor
I guess you mean like real work samples..."How dare we expect that!?", lol.
Yeah...different world these days. The YouTube subscriber count is the work sample, which opens up tons of opportunities to make money which is the end-goal for pretty much everyone in life (even when you do what you love).
N..Bro
The camera is so well sorted ... in MF the focus box drives your focus ... and then a quick punch in to 5x 10x gives you
so much control over the scene.
CRM still a bit dodgy ... about 20% of the files have a corrupted frame ... easily found and dealt with but takes a bit of time
and a roundtrip through VLC ... but you have the advantage of CLog 2/3 and the Raw workflow. Color is so strong ...
very robust files ... no heat issues ... weather sealed and phenomenal still AF speed and color.
Sorry for the prolonged response ... called to dinner ...
YT will probably finish with the upload and render in a few hours ....
The camera is so well sorted ... in MF the focus box drives your focus ... and then a quick punch in to 5x 10x gives you
so much control over the scene.
CRM still a bit dodgy ... about 20% of the files have a corrupted frame ... easily found and dealt with but takes a bit of time
and a roundtrip through VLC ... but you have the advantage of CLog 2/3 and the Raw workflow. Color is so strong ...
very robust files ... no heat issues ... weather sealed and phenomenal still AF speed and color.
Sorry for the prolonged response ... called to dinner ...
YT will probably finish with the upload and render in a few hours ....
rob norton
Veteran
Good point. I'd better get back to designing my LUT/back pack.
Here are the two videos ... best to watch in 4K
Sound is a bit of a hedge ... tired of all the flags when I use any other music ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpJQOQYz9l8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFBRhvzyBm4
Very little breathing on these ... actually none on the 40. And chromatic aberration is minimal for both.
Camera handles highlights very well ... I intentionally let the interior shots verge close to clipping in the windows .... and
did not pull back the highlights much in post.
Not a camera you want to shoot from the back of a Vespa ... but when you control it ... it delivers.
Last time I saw an overheating icon was on my A7S ... promptly bought a Oddysey 7Q+ ... could toast bread on it but it did not complain.
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puredrifting
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groveChuck
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ahalpert
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What's funny to me is the esteem these reviewers are held in. Someone on the EOSHD forum referred to Andrew Reid (EOSHD founder) as "such an accomplished filmmaker" and I thought...really? I've never been impressed with anything he has shown and I'm not aware of his work being distributed. Same thing with Gerald Undone - some of the stuff he has showed looked horrid. There seems to be an inverse correlation between understanding engineering and having an aesthetic sensibility. Matt Allard, on the other hand, had a career shooting before his website and all his shooting looks great to me.