Canon R5 Announced with 8k
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It's a server/compression problem. I can't play anything about 2K on Vimeo but have tried 5K on YouTube.
NorBro
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It's the same across the board...FF low-quality, unfortunately. Wish there was an oversample for 120p in few second bursts, but that slow-motion is still great to have regardless.
Most of the reports I have seen so far suggest that the EF to RF speed booster performs pretty much the same with respect to autofocus as with using EF lenses on an RF camera using a standard adapter.
And this would make sense given what we know so far about how EF lenses work on RF mount cameras. This is from a Canon information page about EF vs. RF lenses:
"When you put an EF lens onto the adapter, the EOS R understands that an EF lens is attached. So there's no need for translation between one lens protocol and another – it speaks to the EF lens in its native language, meaning no lag in communication speed for AF, real-time Digital Lens Optimisation, and accurate real-time focus distance information, which is displayed in the viewfinder."
https://www.canon-europe.com/pro/stories/rf-versus-ef-lenses/
This would mean that unlike most of the other speed booster models (such as EF to Micro 4/3 or EF to Sony E-mount), the EF to RF speed booster does not have to do any lens protocol translation because the camera communicates with the lens using the EF protocol.
The EF lens mount has 8 electrical pins whereas the RF lens mount has 12 pins. And while I don't think anyone has fully reverse engineered the RF lens protocol yet (or at least no one has published specs for it), the prevailing wisdom so far is that the additional 4 pins on the RF mount are used to control additional functionality on RF lenses. For example, these pins are likely used for the new control ring on RF lenses (which can be configured to control aperture or other camera settings), to configure the focus ring direction behavior (which is configurable on RF lenses), and to communicate IS information (for advanced lens IS + in-body stabilization). But when using EF lenses on an RF camera, the original 8 EF lens pins are most likely used in a direct pass through configuration in the adapter, to allow the camera to communicate with the lens directly using the EF protocol.
Second this I havent noticed any AF difference between the Canon adapter and the MB SB. (In Normal real world use, haven’t tested it thoroughly)
Run&Gun
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Has the "Hitler Rant" been done for the R5, yet?
Bassman2003
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Norbro, Can I ask you about the white balance settings? I can't stand that to set a custom WB a photo needs to be taken. Straight from the 5D MKII. I find I often just set the K number on my GH5 and it is accurate. Is adjusting the K number a reliable way to set WB on the R5? Just trying to find a way that would not drive me crazy if I would get this camera. Thanks.
NorBro
Major Contributor
Yes, it's reliable!
And I have the camera programmed to change the Kelvin on my control ring on the R lens and I have to tell you...it's one of the best things I've seen in 15 years of cameras. I'm changing the white balance as if I was changing the focus. Not that I change it a lot outside, but it's very quick and useful indoors moving around to different areas.
[You can also dial in the colors more manually in the color/matrix graph once you set your K in the menu.]
And I have the camera programmed to change the Kelvin on my control ring on the R lens and I have to tell you...it's one of the best things I've seen in 15 years of cameras. I'm changing the white balance as if I was changing the focus. Not that I change it a lot outside, but it's very quick and useful indoors moving around to different areas.
[You can also dial in the colors more manually in the color/matrix graph once you set your K in the menu.]
Bassman2003
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Thanks. So even though the 'take a photo WB' is a mess, you do not see WB as a "chore"? That is good to know.
NorBro
Major Contributor
I don't but I'm not very normal with video production-101 instructions.
This will probably sound crazy, but I haven't shot a white source to obtain a white balance in like 8 years. I mainly would use external recorders and LUTs to see how people looked while scrolling through Ks. Sometimes a proper white balance will not be proper for your post-production workflow/vision.
Also, IMO, what's more important is how your camera sees under certain lighting because no perfect white balance will save you if your camera can't handle a variety of emissions.
This will probably sound crazy, but I haven't shot a white source to obtain a white balance in like 8 years. I mainly would use external recorders and LUTs to see how people looked while scrolling through Ks. Sometimes a proper white balance will not be proper for your post-production workflow/vision.
Also, IMO, what's more important is how your camera sees under certain lighting because no perfect white balance will save you if your camera can't handle a variety of emissions.
puredrifting
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I suppose there is no way to black balance an R5 or R6?
Liam Hall
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LOL that's excellent.
Teddy_Dem
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This is a good side by side comparison of the R5 and the C200, that goes over the following:
1) Canon R5 8K Raw vs Canon C200 4K Raw
2) Canon R5 4K MP4 vs Canon C200 4K XF-AVC
3) Canon R5 120fps Slow Motion vs Canon C200 120 fps Slow Motion
4) Canon R5 Image Stabilization
5) Canon R5 Overheating
Granted it is to be expected as it is an 8k full frame sensor vs 4k super 35, but the detail from the R5 is pretty stunning in comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8E30IxSiDo
1) Canon R5 8K Raw vs Canon C200 4K Raw
2) Canon R5 4K MP4 vs Canon C200 4K XF-AVC
3) Canon R5 120fps Slow Motion vs Canon C200 120 fps Slow Motion
4) Canon R5 Image Stabilization
5) Canon R5 Overheating
Granted it is to be expected as it is an 8k full frame sensor vs 4k super 35, but the detail from the R5 is pretty stunning in comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8E30IxSiDo
Clermond
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ha ha ha.. even funnier if you understand German.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Here's another matti haapoja r5 video: https://youtu.be/u6KR44Trw2M
I actually didn't think this one looked very impressive. The skin tones are still nice, but it lacked that wow factor I get from so much R5 stuff, especially in the sunset shots
I actually didn't think this one looked very impressive. The skin tones are still nice, but it lacked that wow factor I get from so much R5 stuff, especially in the sunset shots
Bassman2003
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I do the same. With decent codecs and bit depth you can massage if needed in post as well. Still considering these cameras with an external recorder fpr longer shoots.
As expected, regarding motion picture aspect in this comparison, moving picture camera is better then stills camera.
Maybe next generation - R5 Mark II will come closer to C200.