64 gb P2 Card

Well, I bought my first 16 GB editing raid for $7500 a few years ago....

I think consumers of monopolized products have every right to speak out against the pricing structures of said products.
 
well, i bought my first 4gig raid in 1996 for $6000. i didnt cry then, i dont cry now. it paid for itself in one job.

i think thats the problem. so many people here dont look any further than their wallet and what things COST. they dont consider the INVESTMENT and what the product will EARN them.

if the the $1600 for a 64 gig card is going to have a grave effect on somebody's finances, they probably don't NEED it to begin with.
 
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micronet! was it the raven? i loved those things! they were built so well. mine was the FWB sledgehammer. i still have the enclosure on my desk acting as a stand for my broadcast monitor. i sold my second one in a package for $10 along with my quadra 840av and videovision hardware. i wish i hadnt sold it. it still worked. but i got tired of storing the boxes...

anybody else remember the videovision studio days?!?!?!?
 
wgzn said:
anybody else remember the videovision studio days?!?!?!?
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It was the Raven.

VVS days. We went to a Macintosh Summit conference in Santa Barbara in 1994 or so. Saw a Radius VVS board playing surfing footage.

First time I saw video on a computer.

Ended up with VVS and a Mac with a 840 MB AV drive. VVS did pixel doubling, but it worked.

I'll never forget that. Never.

But if we had all the money we spent on stuff we threw away since then, we'd be wealthy
 
ha! i was in the same kinda boat. i was about 23 and had my first big corporate job. i saw a radius ad in macworld that read "full screen full motion video* for $3995!" i thought "hey, i have a blazing mac and 4 grand laying around. IM IN!" so i bought VVS, only to find out that the asterisk in the ad meant NOT WITHOUT A FAST/WIDE SCSI ARRAY! so then i discovered that that array was another 6 grand. i had to decide right then, to go forward or back...

and $6000 later, that is were my career in video began ; )
 
cameralover said:
But, Panasonic can control that price and probably won't lower it to ever reflect an accurate market value because they need your $$$ and can easily control the price as there are no third party cards.
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First of all, there are third party cards, Fuji makes them.

Second, pricing among all high-performance memory cards of this type is the same, to the penny. SxS, Panasonic P2, and Fuji P2 are all priced within a few percent of each other.

I would imagine they are going to wait as long as they can to release the 64 GB cards because they will obviously have to slightly lower the prices for existing cards and modify either the prices or "free" cards with the camera packages.
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P2 prices have gone from $1000/gigabyte down to $50/gigabyte in the last three or four years, and will continue to fall. As long as all we're talking about are IMHO's, I expect that we're due for a hefty price drop when the 64s come out.
 
cameralover said:
I think consumers of monopolized products have every right to speak out against the pricing structures of said products.
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Absolutely, you do have a right to speak out on the pricing.

You have an equal right not to buy the product if you feel it is too expensive.

And you have the further right to start you own company and sell your products for whatever price you feel justified.

Just as Panasonic does.
 
Don't misunderstand me, I always wish the prices would be less inexpensive.

But a view on this depends where you started from. I come from a background of $5000.00 4 GB arrays.

Video isn't inexpensive, and HD video with codecs such as DVCProHD is more expensive.

p2 cards are pretty solid, reliable and versatile devices

And 400 to 800 percent price drop in less than three years is pretty good.
 
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well, we are not in any immediate need of P2 cards right now and have definitely decided to not make any P2 purchases until the 64 GB cards are released as the prices are most likely to come down on the smaller cards.

And, I started with a 6 plate Steenbeck in terms of purchases btw... after using upright Moviolas for many years. For some strange reason I still have split reels and a gang sync in the trunk of my car.
 
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SxS media seems to be coming down now in relation to P2. I just noticed tapeonline has 32GB SXS for $1450 while their 32GB P2 cards are $1615
 
wgzn, some people need it for jobs, others need it for creative work. I believe it is the right to complain about high prices, as it is your right to show off with the amount of money you have.
 
I'm surprised other companies haven't been manufacturing P2 cards, unless Panasonic has some kind of legal hold on them.

Panasonic is obviously trying to milk people for as long as they can. I see no reason why a card should cost over $1500. I'd love to know the manufacturing costs.

I'm fine with my FS-100 until the prices drop significantly.
 
David S. said:
However complaining here achieves what purpose?
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I don't believe in that kind of response. Expressing opinions about retail prices on a forum that has Panasonic rep(s) visiting is absolutely an acceptable platform to do so.

So to add my personal opinion on the retail tag, I think it's ridiculous. I love my HPX, I really dig P2 but the cost is absurd.
 
I think it's pretty clear that what annoys many people is that the lower capacity cards are no longer available, which makes the drop in price per gig seem irrelevant. I mean, if you can't afford $800 or so for a P2 card, you can't afford it...regardless of whether it's a 4gb or 64gb card.

If the lower capacity cards were still available, and people could buy 8GB cards (or even 4gb cards) for a few hundred dollars, we'd probably hear a lot less complaints about P2 card pricing.

Cards have definitely gotten significantly cheaper per gig - that is simply a fact.
They cost a fraction of what they cost initially... per gig.
But when the entry price point for P2 media stay the same even with a larger capacity, it doesn't really matter to those who may not have the cash to lay out.
 
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