white balance, orange

ramkuma

ramkuma

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Manually setting the white balance always results is an orange hue. I have talked with an acquaintance of mine who gets the same. Anybody else have this problem, and why is this? When I do ATW I get a blue hue, so I have to adjust the color in the scene file to off-set these bad white balance settings.
 
You probably need to give a little more information about 'how' you are white balancing, including where you stand with your white balance card relative to the light and the camera etc.
 
I put the card in the portion of the light where there subject is. I then zoom in on the card to white balance. I have also tried it holding the card directly in front of the camera withoug zooming.
 
Is the lighting a single type, or is it mixed lighting (e.g. incandescent + daylight or incandescent + fluorescent etc) ? If you are in mixed lighting the camera is going to have a hard time. I certainly have a hard time in churches mixing incandescent light from the internal lights and daylight coming in through the windows.
 
David S. said:
After you zoom into the card, are you in manual mode, with what preset, and what buttons do you push?
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I was in manual. I pushed the white balance button at the front of the camera. Good point about the preset. Perhaps my preset was off and that would throw off my white balance?? But that is kind of like the chicken or the egg. Would you need to set the white balance first and then preset to get an accuate preset, or preset and then white balance to get an accurate white balance?
 
ramkuma said:
Exact said:
Is the lighting a single type, or is it mixed lighting (e.g. incandescent + daylight or incandescent + fluorescent etc) ?quote]

Yes. The lighting was mixed--daylight and incandescent. Good insight.
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So, what's happened is probably that you were standing more in daylight than incandescent for white balance but then the subject was slightly more under the incandescent than you were OR the daylight changed so that the incandescent became the dominant light while shooting.

It happens - and it's a PITA.

The worst shoot I had recently was daylight coming through windows, incandescent lights over the main congregation and mixed daylight, incandescent AND fluorescent over the bride and groom! That took a LOT of rework in post!
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Viewfinder and computer. They look the same.
If you can't get a good manual white balance because of the lighting, what is the best way to tweak the scene file to try and alter it? Color hue? Color contrast?
 
page 39 of the manual gives step by step instructions.

It requires you to first toggle the preset to either A or B when in manual.

Have you taken a look at it?
 
David S. said:
page 39 of the manual gives step by step instructions.

It requires you to first toggle the preset to either A or B when in manual.

Have you taken a look at it?
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Yes. I have. I understand how to set the white balance and what preset and A and B channels are for. I just don't understand why I am not getting good white balance from both ATW and manual.
 
If it's any conciliation, I can AWB three cameras in the same position (i.e. change them on the tripod) using the same white balance card and get three completely different white balance settings on each camera - and I need to fix it in post. Nasty - but that's the way it is. White balance is not a strong point of the HMC, especially in mixed lighting.
 
i've found a tendency towards orange skin tones even with correct WB when shooting with the cine color matrix. try hdnorm and see if it helps at all.

and yes, you may have to compensate with the color temp A/B channels.
 
I tend to use presets(3200K or 5600K) more that white balancing.

I know.. GASP.

I find I can cc easier when matching shots knowing the the base WB was the same.

I also tend to do this for multicam shoots for the same reasons.
 
Denwa said:
I tend to use presets(3200K or 5600K) more that white balancing.

I know.. GASP.

I find I can cc easier when matching shots knowing the the base WB was the same.

I also tend to do this for multicam shoots for the same reasons.
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I thought that the camera automatically sets the Kelvin when you white balance. Are you saying that when you are white balancing it is based on your locked Kelvin preset---3200K or 5600K?
 
agreed. The white balance especially under tungsten lighting tend to be more warm. Because as compare to dvx, the dvx tend to have better cooler and more accurate white balance than hmc.
 
ramkuma said:
I thought that the camera automatically sets the Kelvin when you white balance. Are you saying that when you are white balancing it is based on your locked Kelvin preset---3200K or 5600K?
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Setting it at a preset means the WB is set at that preset. AWB will not work when the preset is on. Though ABB will.

One advantage to using a preset with mulitple cameras is that when lighting changes all the cameras should be off color by the same amount. Of course this is a judgement call based on your shooting conditions etc. When using AWB, it can also be difficult to ensure that all the cam ops are setting WB the same throughout the day.
 
get a CBL colour corrector lens, its a god send i tell you, i never leave home with out it, every time i turn the camera off and on i reset it and i now have no white balance issues, and i updated to 1.21 firm ware and that seem to help alot of my white balance issues as well, am still testing that though
 
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