Where is Panasonic in this game?
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Barry_Green
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ETC induces a 2.6x magnification if you're using 1080. If shooting 720, it magnifies by 3.9x.
2.6x is smaller than S16/16mm as well, 3.9x feels like you're getting into 1/2 territory haha.
But boy, the way it resolves in both is insane. And, it looks great to me!
Barry_Green
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Um, I think your size estimates are a little generous. 
At the 2.6x crop, it's using a sensor size about 7.27 x 4.1mm. That's about 1/3 the size of S16 (12.4 x 7.5). It's about the same size as 1/2" video camera chips.
With the 3.9x, you're dealing with a chip that's about the same size as a 1/3" camcorder.
At the 2.6x crop, it's using a sensor size about 7.27 x 4.1mm. That's about 1/3 the size of S16 (12.4 x 7.5). It's about the same size as 1/2" video camera chips.With the 3.9x, you're dealing with a chip that's about the same size as a 1/3" camcorder.
Now the circle is complete!
We love Pana so we wish them well and hope they surprise us with AF200 - 50mb/s 10 bits 4:2:2 APSC. The new Nikon D800 is tempting.
I am doing a feature film "Run the Show". I love the AF100 for this work, but i am sure it would have been a lot easier with a APSC-sensor or even better full frame. But I cannot complain. Using the Olympus 12-60, the Nikon 50mm 1.4, Nikon 85 f1.4 and the 80-200 f2.8 gives me enough latitude. I am now at the point of grading. Is there anything better than Davinci Resolve?
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Mark Smith
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My $.02:
Calling the situation the way I see it, I really doubt Panasonic will have anything new in 2012 at NAB. I don't know if I would rule out the whole year but I doubt that they have much new to offer at NAB.
Calling the situation the way I see it, I really doubt Panasonic will have anything new in 2012 at NAB. I don't know if I would rule out the whole year but I doubt that they have much new to offer at NAB.
i dont see why they cant have a p2-af100 since the avccam always has a sister p2 version.
if there was a good time to release a large sensor camera it would be this year with a p2 version. they can announce at NAB and release by october or november...
im sure af100 wouldnt be affected as much as its price is going down it can hold its own.
avc-i on a AF100 would be soo sweeeet.
if there was a good time to release a large sensor camera it would be this year with a p2 version. they can announce at NAB and release by october or november...
im sure af100 wouldnt be affected as much as its price is going down it can hold its own.
avc-i on a AF100 would be soo sweeeet.
good idea. but itll be pricey
Mark Smith
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When I see video I shot with my 370 in 1080 AVC I, I love the quality, 10 bitness, , really everything. AVCI does not do over crank in 1080 ( beyond 30 FPS far as I know) and that is something I see asa real limiter. Ask your self, how many cams out there now actually do 1080 over crank? I would hate to lose that capability with an AF uprated to AVC I.
ShawnMi
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What I love about Panasonic is that they don't mind putting a ton of different shooting options into a single camera.
So here's my idea of the 'ideal' in-camera recording scenario: a world camera (50/60 switchable) capable of shooting DV25, DVCPRO25/50, DVCPROHD100, AVC-Intra50/100, and ALSO AVCHD28 to P2 cards, in 1080 or 720. It could overcrank 1080p in AVCHD, shoot from 2-60 (or, heck, 120)fps with 180 shutter, Two 64GB P2 cards would effectively last you 2 hours on a high-Q narrative (which is about all you'd need in a day) or ~12H at AVCHD for longer format, and is a lot more compact than any external anything, and would cost less than an external recorder and its accessories. PERHAPS (now this is a little convoluted) simultaneously shooting ACV-I to P2 and AVCHD to SDXC (for instant offline proxies)... the HVX has P2 and SD cards, after all, and the AC cams do simul-recording... can't be that impossible.
Retain the m43 sensor, add in a GH2-style ETC mode to fully open the world of 2/3" broadcast and S16 lenses, and Bob's your uncle. Heck, slap some mustard on it by integrating 24-bit audio. Feature-rich, compact, self-contained multi-useiosity bliss.
So here's my idea of the 'ideal' in-camera recording scenario: a world camera (50/60 switchable) capable of shooting DV25, DVCPRO25/50, DVCPROHD100, AVC-Intra50/100, and ALSO AVCHD28 to P2 cards, in 1080 or 720. It could overcrank 1080p in AVCHD, shoot from 2-60 (or, heck, 120)fps with 180 shutter, Two 64GB P2 cards would effectively last you 2 hours on a high-Q narrative (which is about all you'd need in a day) or ~12H at AVCHD for longer format, and is a lot more compact than any external anything, and would cost less than an external recorder and its accessories. PERHAPS (now this is a little convoluted) simultaneously shooting ACV-I to P2 and AVCHD to SDXC (for instant offline proxies)... the HVX has P2 and SD cards, after all, and the AC cams do simul-recording... can't be that impossible.
Retain the m43 sensor, add in a GH2-style ETC mode to fully open the world of 2/3" broadcast and S16 lenses, and Bob's your uncle. Heck, slap some mustard on it by integrating 24-bit audio. Feature-rich, compact, self-contained multi-useiosity bliss.
Well, this news likely affects the rest of year far as new releases go:
"The world’s largest leading maker of plasma TVs is poised to break its previous record loss set in 2001 in a very big way. Panasonic (NYSE
C) announced that it will post a record annual loss of $10.2 billion when it closes its books in March. The loss is due in large measure to the reluctant write-down of the now three-year old acquisition of Sanyo Electric. "Now whether that means Panasonic will feel the new to up the ante and announce it's next gen of cameras, or or merely sit out a year remains to be seen. I tend to agree with Mark, that there will be nothing of note announced, although a GH3 and an AF200 aren't out of the question. Certainly don't expect a lot of new glass coming from them - unlike Sony and Canon, both of which are rumored to be ready to drop lots of new lenses in 2012.
http://www.ira.com/panasonic-10-billion-record-loss
Well, the AF100 was announced in April 2010, meaning it will be two years by the time NAB 2012 rolls along - a decent enough time between announcements in the current scheme of things I think.
Hard to know for sure, but I'm guessing sales for new AF100's have fallen off a cliff in the past few months. After only 13 months of release, the AF100 with current rebate is nearly $1,300 cheaper at some retailers (including B&H) then it was upon initial release. Compare that to the FS100 which is only $300 cheaper w/ their current rebate, coming in at $4,700 (vs $3,800 for the AF100). The AF100 rebate also extends a month longer ('til the end of March). And of course the GH2 hack isn't helping sales any (well, not sales of the AF100).
I've seen the AF100 going for a cheap as $3,000 on ebay...
SO, all that said, it wouldn't be totally shocking to see an announcement of an AF100 "B" camera to be delivered around Christmas time. That said, I agree with you - my gut says no, they'll stand pat and sell off what stock they have.
Hard to know for sure, but I'm guessing sales for new AF100's have fallen off a cliff in the past few months. After only 13 months of release, the AF100 with current rebate is nearly $1,300 cheaper at some retailers (including B&H) then it was upon initial release. Compare that to the FS100 which is only $300 cheaper w/ their current rebate, coming in at $4,700 (vs $3,800 for the AF100). The AF100 rebate also extends a month longer ('til the end of March). And of course the GH2 hack isn't helping sales any (well, not sales of the AF100).
I've seen the AF100 going for a cheap as $3,000 on ebay...
SO, all that said, it wouldn't be totally shocking to see an announcement of an AF100 "B" camera to be delivered around Christmas time. That said, I agree with you - my gut says no, they'll stand pat and sell off what stock they have.
I wouldn't have to change my lenses that much. A f2.8 /f4 and even f5.6 would haven given me the DoF that i want. Now I often have to go with f2 or even f1.4 to get the same dramatic effect. If perhaps I buy the Nikon D800, I can use the 24-70 f2.8 to do almost all of my shots.
