C200: The new Canon C200 with 4K

avian said:
The c200 would be excellent for Short Narrative or Feature films.
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Indeed. Raw 4K is basically the holy grail of narrative filmmaking. Combine that with the awesome DPAF touchscreen and it's the perfect indie camera. Much better in low light than an Ursa Mini, and way, way cheaper than any RED camera.
 
Alexander.M said:
I see the Canon Cinema Cameras being used for a lot for documentary, events, weddings, etc. Is there any reason not to use the C200 for Short Narrative or Feature films? Would it be much different from shooting with an Ursa Mini or RED at 4K resolution?
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Yeah, indie narrative is the camera's forte. Same huge data rates as with a RED, but a lot cheaper body/media, a lot more features for the money, and really convenient pieces like the NDs and DPAF. I expect it to affect the same market as the Ursa Mini, too. The RAW is also only really useful for indie shoots because of the limited amount of footage you end up shooting, only a few hours of actual roll time compared to a documentary.
 
niki said:
but I don't care about 4k and not interested in hours of color grading
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So when you asked the question below, were you thinking maybe there is HD RAW?

niki said:
what about c200 raw vs C300 mk1 (image wise)
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If you don't care about 4K, the C300 (I) is a great camera.

But to get the most DR out of any camera, you'll have to put a bit of work in (even if it's a basic LUT) in post unless you like the overall flat look.
 
NorBro said:
So when you asked the question below, were you thinking maybe there is HD RAW?



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If you don't care about 4K, the C300 (I) is a great camera.

But to get the most DR out of any camera, you'll have to put a bit of work in (even if it's a basic LUT) in post unless you like the overall flat look.
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when I asked the question before it was about image..C300mk1 vs C200 do you see a difference and if so what's the difference??


I think I do get the most dr out of my C300 using the cinema settings


(also I have a raw camera when needed red scarlet)
 
As I'm sure you know, the C200 is not out yet, so most of us can only go by what we currently see online.

But the C300 is 5+ years old. Canon has had a lot of time to work on their processing, colors, highlight/shadow handling, etc.

It's like asking what the difference is between the image quality of the C300 and C300 Mark II.

The second version is a newer camera that has been improved in many ways, and the main differences most people will see are in the increased resolution, dynamic range and overall image handling (colors, H/S based on the settings used, etc).

You would expect the same with the C200. It's a new camera that will shoot 4K RAW with 15 stops of dynamic range, and it should theoretically be filled with improvements and tweaks that make it a better camera since it's half a decade newer.

It's a tough question to answer as you may personally find the C300 image to be better, but IMO those are the differences that most people will see; resolution, dynamic range, and various improvements in the overall image quality.
 
also most motion pictures are shot on 2k..(with millions in there budgets yet they work and deliver in 2k)
 
It's super-sampled 2.8K coming from a company that has more than a lifetime of experience in making cinema cameras.

That resolution would never look as good coming from a native 2K sensor.

And it's more than just the resolution that makes ARRI's image. You can't compare them to Canon.
 
I'm eager to put my hands on the C200 this fall and work with it and I think it will be perfect for the shoots that have been done with C100 previously.
 
NorBro said:
It's super-sampled 2.8K coming from a company that has more than a lifetime of experience in making cinema cameras.

That resolution would never look as good coming from a native 2K sensor.

And it's more than just the resolution that makes ARRI's image. You can't compare them to Canon.
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And the 2K from Canon is a supersampled 4K sensor. I actually think it is a bit of a shortcoming that this C200 doesn't seem to offer a compressed 2K option. If you are shooting a baked in 2K video for the web, the 2K 4:2:0 from the Canon is a decent option. Of course, it doesn't get much better than the C100 II or C300 for that work. No reason to upgrade to the C200 if that is the work that you do.
 
Most professional cinema cameras in the last 4-5 years have super-sampled resolutions.

Some are just better at it than others.
 
I think it is too that's why I mentioned 2.8K. (It's 2160.)

I see a difference just between the 2K and 1080p versions that I download from Vimeo's conversion of a 4K file.

Plus, some of those movies might be shot in 3.2K [I don't know, I don't follow the specs at that level...all of those Hollywood movies look good to me. If any new ones are being filmed with RED, they are most definitely being shot in 6K and 8K.]
 
And those 2K masters from 8K-6K-4K image acquisition look amazing.

So when people watch the movies in HD and wonder why it looks so good...that's one of the reasons.

Plus everything else that millions of dollars pays for (lighting, grading, set design, audio, effects, acting, camera movements, all of the various talent and everything part of a production that helps even in the smallest ways).
 
NorBro said:
... Plus, some of those movies might be shot in 3.2K [I don't know, I don't follow the specs at that level...all of those Hollywood movies look good to me. If any new ones are being filmed with RED, they are most definitely being shot in 6K and 8K.]
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Open Gate is 3.2. it came out at a later version of Alexa. And then the next one began to upscale to 4K internally.

In either case, most Hollywood movies are "mastered' to 4K for Blu Ray. Most US theater chains are equipped with 4K projectors as well.
 
I think the next gen camera for Canon will be using their current 2K philosophy and applying it to an 8K sensor to get 4K.
 
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