The EOS 60D has been announced

I'm having a hard time seeing how the articulated LCD screen would be all that beneficial.

Anyone have good examples of when it would be helpful or even clutch?
 
I don't want or care about "shooting modes"
MSAP and a switch for stills or motion. Anyone in the market for a camera at this level should not need "modes", hell, manual only should be fine.
Dave
 
jscottprice said:
I'm having a hard time seeing how the articulated LCD screen would be all that beneficial.

Anyone have good examples of when it would be helpful or even clutch?
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Shooting with the camera on the floor or above your head - especially video - you dont need to be in line with the camera to monitor recording

VERY useful
 
HHL said:
Hmm....you guys didn't see this feature?

"An external stereo microphone terminal and the ability to adjust sound recording level ensures the audio track recorded matches the visual quality of the video, capturing broadcast-quality sound."

I'm not saying what that means, but I think alot of people have been asking for sound improvements. Anywho...
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And instead of providing a firmware update they shove a new camera down our throats.

So funny!
 
jscottprice said:
I'm having a hard time seeing how the articulated LCD screen would be all that beneficial.

Anyone have good examples of when it would be helpful or even clutch?
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Depends on what you shoot.
If you're just doing standard shoulder-level interviews then there's not much benefit. But for Music Vids where you're trying all kinds of angles and possibly uncomfortable situations then it makes life a LOT easier.
 
Vitaliy Kiselev said:
Canon did all that they could in current situation.

You wanted video oriented screen - done. AGC - done. HDMI out - done.
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I tried look through the documentation but couldn't find it......

Are you saying there is no AGC? (I did find a reference to to being able to adjust vol...) but I saw nothing about turning off AGC, did I miss it?

HDMI out? Again I saw a reference to hdmi out but nothing about the resolution out during recording?? did I miss that too?
 
videohog said:
I tried look through the documentation but couldn't find it......

Are you saying there is no AGC? (I did find a reference to to being able to adjust vol...) but I saw nothing about turning off AGC, did I miss it?

HDMI out? Again I saw a reference to hdmi out but nothing about the resolution out during recording?? did I miss that too?
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http://www.photographybay.com/2010/08/26/canon-60d/

Here's the part about audio:
The new EOS 60D camera’s movie mode also includes manual controls for exposure as well as manual audio levels in 64 steps, much like the latest firmware update for the EOS 5D Mark II HD-SLR. Users can set audio levels on the rear menu screen before shooting begins; once recording is initialized, audio adjustments are not possible. In addition, Canon has added an electronic Wind Filter to the audio controls within the movie shooting menu.
 
jscottprice said:
I'm having a hard time seeing how the articulated LCD screen would be all that beneficial.

Anyone have good examples of when it would be helpful or even clutch?
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* You're doing an interview and are positioned with your head just to the side of the camera for a good eyeline. It's very helpful to be able to flip the monitor off to the side so you can just look at it without moving to the back of the camera to adjust framing and focus. Currently I use an external monitor in formal interviews for that reason alone.

* Not having the articulating LCD can have a constraining influence on choice of camera angles, especially when handheld. If I have to get down on my knees to look through a non-articulating monitor in order to do a waist-level shot, I am going to be less inclined to spontaneously choose that angle than if I can just cradle the camera at waist level and flip up the screen (just as SLR and TLR cameras impose different camera angle choices).

That said, the need to cram my eye into an loupe's eyepiece in order to keep focus, means that an articulating LCD is only going to extend the upper limit of a high angle shot by a foot or so from what I can do without it. And handheld waist-level shots are not going to be all that comfortable, having to hunch over to keep my eye on the eyepiece.
 
For those of us who shoot Canon bodies on a full support rig - follow focus, matte box, viewfinder loupe - you may not see a lot of excitement about the articulating screen, or even a larger body size.

The only thing that really interests me is no agc and volume level control.

The T2i already has custom WB settings - though from what I've played with, it will save two white-card-balanced settings. (With the D90, you can dial in kelvin temps, which is freakishly useful - if the T2i had it I'd use it on every shoot). Of course, the day my T2i showed up was the last day I shot D90 video...

And isn't the 7D's implementation of finer ISO levels just adding gain? Same thing here? (no expert on that).

And finally, don't knock Nikon too hard. I've made my living shooting stills for well over a decade, and the D90 is a knockout camera. Nikon never promised us perfect video, and they did get this ball rolling. For pro still shooters, Nikon hasn't made any egregious mistakes - and who knows how profitable the filmmaker market really has been for Canon? May be a drop in the ocean for all we know.

Though I'm hoping for a D95 this fall that leapfrogs Canon... better compression, live AF, manual audio, and HDMI out that doesn't defeat the LCD. (And nice clean 60p, even at 720 - I use the T2i for slowmo often).
 
So, does the 60D have AF with video? I can't tell from what I've read. Does anyone have anything definitive? Thanks!
 
The pro/semi-pro market for DSLR video has got to be huge. I got a chance to see the budget for a big hollywood film that just got a green light. They have a million dollars budgeted for 5D's, 7D's, lenses and accessories. And the funny thing was that the items were listed under "disposable". They expect to trash most of the cameras during filming (makes me sick, actually).
 
Michael Carter said:
The T2i already has custom WB settings - though from what I've played with, it will save two white-card-balanced settings. (With the D90, you can dial in kelvin temps, which is freakishly useful - if the T2i had it I'd use it on every shoot).
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That's what the 60D has, not custom WB.
 
I have been watching DSLRs (and Scarlet) carefully, and DSLRs have all had three major problems:
  1. Aliasing/moire
  2. Crappy audio (AGC always on)
  3. Codec is only 8-bit, and is heavy on compression, which limit color correction.

These all seem to now have decent fixes or work arounds:
  1. With filters such as Caprock (http://vimeo.com/12668818), this seems manageable.
  2. 60D has manual audio levels. Just need an external XLR/preamp box.
  3. Using Canon custom Picture Styles (http://www.cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3401), we can tweak where the 8-bits are used (shadows/highlights, independent for each color, etc.)
 
Sounds like a good place to dumpster dive!! LOL


DigitalBard said:
The pro/semi-pro market for DSLR video has got to be huge. I got a chance to see the budget for a big hollywood film that just got a green light. They have a million dollars budgeted for 5D's, 7D's, lenses and accessories. And the funny thing was that the items were listed under "disposable". They expect to trash most of the cameras during filming (makes me sick, actually).
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DigitalBard said:
The pro/semi-pro market for DSLR video has got to be huge. I got a chance to see the budget for a big hollywood film that just got a green light. They have a million dollars budgeted for 5D's, 7D's, lenses and accessories. And the funny thing was that the items were listed under "disposable". They expect to trash most of the cameras during filming (makes me sick, actually).
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I doubt they actually throw them out. Probably just hand them out to staff or sell to a camera rental house.
 
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