The EOS 60D has been announced

Camera looks great, I would pay $200-300 alone for the option to have a swivel LCD and now we do. I already was thinking about selling my 7d but did not really like how small the t2i was. This seems like the perfect medium.

I can still get about $1300 for my 7d, so I can buy this camera and still have some pocket change left over. 75% of the time I use my camera for video so this is like a dream come true.


I cant wait till next month :)



DigitalBard said:
If I didn't already have a T2i, I would get this instead for the native ISOs, better sound, and articulated screen. But it's not worth selling my T2i to upgrade.

If SDXC support allows for longer recording, I may sell my HF11 to get one, though.
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Why is it not worth it, when you clearly want these options? You can sell your camera for $700-800 and pay $300-$400 for a brand new camera with the options you want + it just looks more professional.

If another camera comes out in 6 months I would sell again, the point is to keep buying/selling when your camera or anything you own still has value. By this time next year you would get less money for your t2i. My point is to stay on top of the game and spending a couple hundred dollars every 6 months to have the most current camera seems like a great idea/benefit to me.
 
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dust'n the callipygous said:
as far as i know, wireless flash control on the 7d only works when the onboard flash is also firing. don't imagine this would be any different. it kinda sucks when you don't want a direct flash. maybe i'm just doing it wrong
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Call me crazy, but I think there may be a way to trigger a wireless flash and set the on-board flash not to fire.

I was watching the videos in the following post:

http://photography.bhinsights.com/content/whats-menu-presented-canon.html

In the video, the Canon rep goes through the menus step-by-step. Even though I currently don't own a Canon DSLR, I watched over an hour of these videos, and I could swear there is a way to set this up.
 
When can we expect to be able to buy one? What's the typical delay between press release and "on the shelves?"
 
life4eva said:
Why is it not worth it, when you clearly want these options? You can sell your camera for $700-800 and pay $300-$400 for a brand new camera with the options you want + it just looks more professional.
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I will sell you my t2i... without a SINGLE actuation as of yet... NEVER used ONE TIME... for $825, shipped... WITH battery grip (non-canon) and 2 extra batteries... or... how about $750 + ship w/o battery grip.

Let's see if I get any bites :)

I don't think you can sell a used t2i for $800... and unless it's nearly new... not too sure about $700 either.

There are two ways to look at the "latest cam" craze... and honestly, I think the best way to look at it is to get what you need, to do what you need to do... then upgrade once that camera is no longer able to accomplish that for you.

Not saying your point isn't valid... but it can be a lot of work to stay on top of the latest cam craze... although... I will say... you have me thinking. If I didn't have to return yet another cam, but could sell it, as new, and get nearly what it cost me... I probably would do that... and wait for the 60D.

Sam Mallery said:
Call me crazy, but I think there may be a way to trigger a wireless flash and set the on-board flash not to fire.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but you asked for it. You're crazy.

Here's the deal with statements like that on internet forums... you'll have just enough people who won't read beyond that... who will start swearing this is fact because "they read proof" or saw proof or whatever... so now I have to watch 3 videos on b&h to find where you misunderstood? 'Aint gonna' do it... wouldn't be prudent at this juncture... :)

The on-board flash is what communicates the information... there's no separate IR transmitter or any other form of wireless ability to tell the separate flash what to do. It's a super-fast series of pulses... almost like an SOS signal... that appears as one flash. The best you can do if you don't want to see that extra-flash catch-light from the cam in your subject's eyes... is to suspend a little card or something out in front of the flash (not covering it)... which will block the flash from the subject's eyes while still triggering the 580ex (or whatever).

The on-cam flash is what makes it all work... stop that light and you stop the information and trigger.
 
Metrolens said:
When can we expect to be able to buy one? What's the typical delay between press release and "on the shelves?"
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From http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products?pageKeyCode=pressreldetail&docId=0901e024801e8288

"The Canon EOS 60D Digital SLR camera is scheduled to be delivered to U.S. dealers toward the end of September, and will be sold in a body-only configuration at an estimated retail price of $1,099.00i. It will also be offered in a kit version with Canon's EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM zoom lens at an estimated retail price of $1,399.00ii. The Canon BG-E9 battery grip is scheduled to be available toward the end of September and sell at an estimated retail price of $270.00iii."
 
MattinSTL said:
I will sell you my t2i... without a SINGLE actuation as of yet... NEVER used ONE TIME... for $825, shipped... WITH battery grip (non-canon) and 2 extra batteries... or... how about $750 + ship w/o battery grip.

Let's see if I get any bites :)

I don't think you can sell a used t2i for $800... and unless it's nearly new... not too sure about $700 either.

There are two ways to look at the "latest cam" craze... and honestly, I think the best way to look at it is to get what you need, to do what you need to do... then upgrade once that camera is no longer able to accomplish that for you.

Not saying your point isn't valid... but it can be a lot of work to stay on top of the latest cam craze... although... I will say... you have me thinking. If I didn't have to return yet another cam, but could sell it, as new, and get nearly what it cost me... I probably would do that... and wait for the 60D.



Don't take this the wrong way, but you asked for it. You're crazy.

Here's the deal with statements like that on internet forums... you'll have just enough people who won't read beyond that... who will start swearing this is fact because "they read proof" or saw proof or whatever... so now I have to watch 3 videos on b&h to find where you misunderstood? 'Aint gonna' do it... wouldn't be prudent at this juncture... :)

The on-board flash is what communicates the information... there's no separate IR transmitter or any other form of wireless ability to tell the separate flash what to do. It's a super-fast series of pulses... almost like an SOS signal... that appears as one flash. The best you can do if you don't want to see that extra-flash catch-light from the cam in your subject's eyes... is to suspend a little card or something out in front of the flash (not covering it)... which will block the flash from the subject's eyes while still triggering the 580ex (or whatever).

The on-cam flash is what makes it all work... stop that light and you stop the information and trigger.
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I have two friends who just bought the Canon t2i new for $900. I'm more than sure I could have sold them a used one with Warranty for $700-800. Looking at recent completed listings on Ebay this is a fact.


If I owned the t2i I would sell it and pay the $400 difference for what looks like to be a better camera with a function I always wanted. This is how I think, people can agree or disagree all they want.

The main thing I wanted from my Canon hdslr was a swivel screen and now we have one, this makes me happy and in life you need to pursue happiness.
 
MattinSTL said:
Don't take this the wrong way, but you asked for it. You're crazy.

Here's the deal with statements like that on internet forums... you'll have just enough people who won't read beyond that... who will start swearing this is fact because "they read proof" or saw proof or whatever... so now I have to watch 3 videos on b&h to find where you misunderstood? 'Aint gonna' do it... wouldn't be prudent at this juncture... :)

The on-board flash is what communicates the information... there's no separate IR transmitter or any other form of wireless ability to tell the separate flash what to do. It's a super-fast series of pulses... almost like an SOS signal... that appears as one flash. The best you can do if you don't want to see that extra-flash catch-light from the cam in your subject's eyes... is to suspend a little card or something out in front of the flash (not covering it)... which will block the flash from the subject's eyes while still triggering the 580ex (or whatever).

The on-cam flash is what makes it all work... stop that light and you stop the information and trigger.
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I beg to differ. I just watched the Part 1 video again (even though I still don't own a DSLR - so yes, I'm crazy). The rep gets into it at 25 minutes, and gets to the meat of the subject at 27 minutes.

The answer is yes. You can trigger wireless flashes on the 7D without the built-in flash firing.
 
e-steve said:
Where does it say this? From the specs to me it looked like it did have AF for video...
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If it has AF with video it seems like it would say it somewhere. In the menu section of DPReviews preview it does seem to have AF capability during filming if you use the shutter button.
 
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Lammy said:
The t2i/550D also has a live histogram during live view mode, unfortunately it's off when you turn to record in movie mode, but that's OK you can easily guage before you star recording.
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I am under the impression that you can only see the histogram in playback mode. Can you see the histogram while framing?
 
Aliasing and moire. I really just care about those two things. Without an improvement in those areas this is just reheating leftovers from the 5D/7D/T2i.
 
Sam Mallery said:
I beg to differ. I just watched the Part 1 video again (even though I still don't own a DSLR - so yes, I'm crazy). The rep gets into it at 25 minutes, and gets to the meat of the subject at 27 minutes.

The answer is yes. You can trigger wireless flashes on the 7D without the built-in flash firing.
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Yep... My apologies.

I just watched it and he explains it at 28:00... Thank you for not making me watch the whole video, although I may watch it later anyway... for the good information as he's explaining it.

That's nice, because on Nikon's CLS system the flash has to fire.

Isaac_Brody said:
Aliasing and moire. I really just care about those two things. Without an improvement in those areas this is just reheating leftovers from the 5D/7D/T2i.
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I mostly agree with this. If this were primarily a photography forum I think people would be more excited about the form-factor... I really like that it's big... and this damn thread has got me questioning my options, since I'm right where I was when I returned a 7D to buy a GH1... again... ugh... again, I have a brand new cam, in the box, on my floor... as I'm evaluating options. Honestly... I'm going to have to decide just how much I care about all this as it adds up. For me the question is what is better for my photography... an extra 580exII... or a different canon. It's almost a toss-up IMO.

Overall I like the form factor... as it's nice and fat like a 7D... but it definitely seems like little change on the technology end of things.
 
cap10kirk said:
I am under the impression that you can only see the histogram in playback mode. Can you see the histogram while framing?
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You can turn on the Histogram and watch it lively change as you move around in Liveview on any of the Photo modes. However you cannot record, for that you'll have to switch the dial to movie record mode - where you lose the histogram.

But when you're recording you don't need to look at it!
 
(Edit: I just saw that link was present in earlier posts. Sorry)

Download the sample videos for 60D:

http://dpreview.com/previews/canoneos60d/page9.asp

My computer cannot play it in real time but it seems like 720p still suffers from moire(check the fine detail around bridge towers). 1080p looks fairly good, a bit soft maybe.
 
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Aliasing looks terrible as ever in that 720p mode. The 1080p looked pretty good...but not a lot of fine detail in that scene to really draw a conclusion.
 
Yeah, same exact moire and aliasing as 7D/5D/T2i, and same degree of softness. Looks like we'll have to wait for the second generation fix for these issues.
 
Lets hope the flip out LCD becomes standard on all the 2nd gen models. If Nikon fails to impress at Photokina and there's no 2nd gen models announced by Canon (fingers crossed) I might pick up one of these as a B-cam for my 5D. 50/60p and the ergonomics of the LCD would be a cool addition. I was never interested in the T2i because it doesn't shoot the "clean" ISO's.
 
just thinking about this articulating LCD. it's nice to be able to flip around and fold up the LCD when you're not using it, but that might be tough with most of the hood loupes. Z-Finder and LCDVF use a bracket attached around the screen. that'd be fine, but it probably won't fold up with it attached. might have to go with a z-finder jr, which just uses that bracket underneath that people aren't so fond of--or just don't ever fold it up
 
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