i love its square end section... like the bigger Cine Alta series... Its like the mini version.
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Sony XDCAM EX
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LuckyStudio 13
The Tapeless One
Like i said before Sony really has a secret "anti-climax" for every single cam that they sell. 
I had high hopes for this cam when it was first announced. As with everything Sony proprietary, PSP disc, ATRAC ...etc, once the sales numbers are not impressive enough, Sony might drop the format altogether, especially since their higher end ENG cams are all using again *their proprietary DISC format.
At least you know Panasonic is not going to abandon P2 since their higher end ENG cams are all switching to P2.
Thank you Sony once again. Even Canon hit the home run with their XH-A1, yet SOny striked out with the Z1, V1 and now the XDCAM EX.
I had high hopes for this cam when it was first announced. As with everything Sony proprietary, PSP disc, ATRAC ...etc, once the sales numbers are not impressive enough, Sony might drop the format altogether, especially since their higher end ENG cams are all using again *their proprietary DISC format.
At least you know Panasonic is not going to abandon P2 since their higher end ENG cams are all switching to P2.
Thank you Sony once again. Even Canon hit the home run with their XH-A1, yet SOny striked out with the Z1, V1 and now the XDCAM EX.
well they havent struck out yet.... Dont be too hasty. The image may be Miraculous, and worth the headache of XDcam, proprietary or not.
Though im ust admit sony's MicroMV tape idea was novel, but not usefull for anything as it required twice the compression to get it to a DVD. its like HDV, but for standard def, and it failed miserably.
Though im ust admit sony's MicroMV tape idea was novel, but not usefull for anything as it required twice the compression to get it to a DVD. its like HDV, but for standard def, and it failed miserably.
How do you know that? It hasn't even hit the street yet. All we have is speculations based on first impressions. Weren't there negative predictions about P2 when it was first announced? From what I've read so far there's no "dealbreaker" for me on the EX. It actually seems like Sony might actually be "getting it" with this camera with all these nifty features (variable frame rates, solid state, finally!). But then I have no idea how this is going to go over with filmmakers or if the price is going to be right or even if there's some crippling bug that hasn't come out yet.
And what do you mean "strike out"? From what I heard the Z1 sold very well.
i jsut hope they resolve teh monitoring issue with variframerates.
LuckyStudio 13
The Tapeless One
What speculation ? One of the main advantage of this EX is the promise of cheaper "rec time" via the use of generic Express Card. Now go and see the announced prices of the PROPRIETARY SxS cards.
Z1 is fine if you shoot 100% interlaced. Their "cine emulation" is truly a piece of crap. I know, my friend's studio that I sometimes shoots for, owns 3x Z1u.
The specs looks great, but again so did the specs on the Sony V1u when it was announced.
Dont get me wrong, I was really hoping to buy my FIRST Sony cam after I heard of the EX but now I am not so convinved anymore. And i wonder why the $@#$@#@$# does Sony USA have not yet made a press conference/release on this cam.
Z1 is fine if you shoot 100% interlaced. Their "cine emulation" is truly a piece of crap. I know, my friend's studio that I sometimes shoots for, owns 3x Z1u.
The specs looks great, but again so did the specs on the Sony V1u when it was announced.
Dont get me wrong, I was really hoping to buy my FIRST Sony cam after I heard of the EX but now I am not so convinved anymore. And i wonder why the $@#$@#@$# does Sony USA have not yet made a press conference/release on this cam.
Great quote! Though to me it's the lack of SD compatability that makes me think "why oh why did they do that!?"Like i said before Sony really has a secret "anti-climax" for every single cam that they sell.
I expect the opposite to happen - SxS being built in to the higher end cameras. I remember hearing Sony say a few years ago that they would always keep an open mind about solid state, but didn't think the time was right for it *then*. Obviously they now think the time may be coming, and personally I think they got their timing right - they've sold a lot of tape and disc cameras in that time, but it may now be time to move on. (And in the pro market I suspect Panasonic have also sold a lot more tape cameras than P2 in the same timeframe.)
Sonys announcement at NAB suggested that disc and solid state would live together for quite a while to come, and to me that is much more useful than a solid state only solution - sometimes you just need to hand over a hard copy of material.
What announced price? Some unconfirmed report that said we should "expect" around the same price in the US as in Europe? The price for the camera isn't even announced yet. And I believe some where on this thread there's a post that the generic Express card should work but is not officially supported. They may work, they may not, but until then it is speculation to assume that they won't and that card prices will be high. And yes, it is "cheaper" in the sense that you get a lot more recording time per GB.
I also read that Sony is including 2x 8GB cards with the camera. That makes what, an hour of recording right out of the box?
rawfa
Veteran
Did anyone read this? According to the author this camera is something truly amazing. I'm really looking forward to seeing the first footage.
Quote:
"Would I go so far as saying that the EX1 is as good as an XDCAM HD high end camcorder such as the F350 with a decent HD lens? Not quite, close, but from what I’ve seen of the EX1 so far, it falls a small margin short of the PDW-F350 in image quality performance."
rawfa
Veteran
Another quote
"The image quality beats Sony’s own Z1 and Panasonic’s HVX200 by a mile; the difference is blatantly obvious. However, from what I've shot on this pre-production unit so far, it falls a tad (and I do mean just a tad) short of Sony’s professional full size XDCAM HD camcorders. There is a reason Sony make a camcorder costing £5,000, and another costing £15,000 and another costing £29,000 and another costing £40,000. For me it doesn’t take much working out. Having said that, I would defy anyone to see the difference between EX1 clips and F350 clips once graded together on the same timeline."
"The image quality beats Sony’s own Z1 and Panasonic’s HVX200 by a mile; the difference is blatantly obvious. However, from what I've shot on this pre-production unit so far, it falls a tad (and I do mean just a tad) short of Sony’s professional full size XDCAM HD camcorders. There is a reason Sony make a camcorder costing £5,000, and another costing £15,000 and another costing £29,000 and another costing £40,000. For me it doesn’t take much working out. Having said that, I would defy anyone to see the difference between EX1 clips and F350 clips once graded together on the same timeline."
Barry_Green
Moderator
Sandisk issued a press release for the official US pricing of SxS cards. $500 for 8GB, $900 for 16GB.
The key word there being "official".
Amen, and considering their 32gig SSD SATA drives are priced around 400.00 USD I'm hoping there is lots of markup in those prices.
Barry_Green
Moderator
But it's not an SSD Sata drive. It's something entirely different. Which is why it costs so much more.
LuckyStudio 13
The Tapeless One
The only thing that can save this camera now is the potential performance of the 1/2" HD cmos sensor and the effectiveness of the new codec. This camera is going to be more expensive than the hvx200 and the media is not going to be anymore significantly cheaper either.
Instead of instant preordering, it is now a "wait to evaluate footage" decision. I hope there is no more "Sony anti climax" features.
Instead of instant preordering, it is now a "wait to evaluate footage" decision. I hope there is no more "Sony anti climax" features.
Essami
Well-known member
I dont suppose anyone would have an idea if you can flip the image on the viewfinder for 35mm adapter use? OR if one could record and upright image as well?
Im definately thinking of getting this instead of my previously planned hvx200 purchase. One of the main reasons being that I use Vegas to edit.
Sami
Im definately thinking of getting this instead of my previously planned hvx200 purchase. One of the main reasons being that I use Vegas to edit.
Sami
rawfa
Veteran
That in consideration that it look exactly like a beefed up version of the FX1/Z1, with an extremely similar LCD I would say the magnet trick may work for flipping the image, the same way it did with the FX1/Z1. If there's one thing I miss about the FX1 it's the massive monitor it had.
dx dont dismiss a seemingly great camera just yet. if the sxs cards are expensive there is probably a reason, just like p2 cards. the only "bummer" is the no video preview of off speed. the other "ehhhhh" feature is xdcam... but hats not so bad actually. im just spoiled by dvcprohd.
Nik Manning
Well-known member
I think the xdcam ex will be a great camera, but sometimes you have to take a stand and say that is complete bull. There is no good reason sony made the other cards incompatible other than it being sony. They claimed it would be affordable SXS cards and they are marked up at least 4X what other already marked up express cards cost.
Can we expect some sony only hdv tapes next when these new cameras come out?
With all that said if they sell it for $5499 with 2 8 gig cards I will want one.
Can we expect some sony only hdv tapes next when these new cameras come out?
With all that said if they sell it for $5499 with 2 8 gig cards I will want one.