C200: Some good C200 footage appearing now!

Would arrival of the DC mean that we will actually have to leave this forum and shoot with it?

Please say no, please say no...
 
Read My Lips Guys; The Cfast cost is $1000-1200 per hour for storage, the last thing I want to do on a job is cut my shots down because I can't afford to waste data. Considering there is always the possibility of even a card going south - I would not go to a job without 2-4 hours of cards, this is approaching half the price of the camera - Lets get out feet back on the ground here.

I just paid only $99 for a TB drive at B&H for my Atomos Inferno twice that storage of the big CFast - The C100 format is broke . . . . .

Regards Mike
 
Mike Mas said:
Read My Lips Guys; The Cfast cost is $1000-1200 per hour for storage, the last thing I want to do on a job is cut my shots down because I can't afford to waste data. Considering there is always the possibility of even a card going south - I would not go to a job without 2-4 hours of cards, this is approaching half the price of the camera - Lets get out feet back on the ground here.

I just paid only $99 for a TB drive at B&H for my Atomos Inferno twice that storage of the big CFast - The C100 format is broke . . . . .

Regards Mike
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I've seen so much of the most interesting math on this forum. Used vs new prices. So lets see. The price of the Inferno was left out...That's about $1000. For $200 more you could have bought an hour of CFast. And the price for CFast can be had for about half what you list. egodisks are basically $600 per hour. The price of CFast is high. But lets get real here. 2 hours is $1200 4 hours is $2400 2400/7400=32%. 32% isn't insignificant. But it's not beginning to approach 50%.
 
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Stills2HDConvert said:
I've seen so much of the most interesting math on this forum. Used vs new prices. So lets see. The price of the Inferno was left out...That's about $1000. For $200 more you could have bought an hour of CFast. And the price for CFast can be had for about half what you list. egodisks are basically $600 per hour. The price of CFast is high. But lets get real here. 2 hours is $1200 4 hours is $2400 2400/7400=32%. 32% isn't insignificant. But it's not beginning to approach 50%.
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Please don't even go There!

if your knowledge is so limited to compare a Cfast card to the Atomos, you should not even bring it up. Evidently you have no idea of the capabilities of this piece of equipment, the fact it records and records cheaply is only 20% of its capabilities. For the price of only $99 for a TB on the Atomos you'll have to spend $2000-2400 to baby sit your C200!

Here's some more math - for the price of just of 2 Cfast cards (1Tb) - you can buy the Atomos Inferno and 5 Tb of storage. Is any of this making sense to you?

Here's a link for you to study up!

https://www.atomos.com/shogun-inferno

Best Regards - Mike

 
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digitalinnovations said:
But doesn’t the C200 render this entire conversation moot because it doesn’t output Raw or high quality 4K via HDMI or SDI?
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Thanks for the reply - Basically the conversation was concerning the extreme high cost of media for raw, for most smaller production companies (like myself) this creates a road block. Don't know about other guys, but I would not feel comfortable owning less than 5-6 cards on a good size project. Wow that is approaching the price of the camera!

While of course we could dump them off on other media, who really wants to do that out in the field.

Regards - Mike
 
mico said:
Loved this.
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I bought a C200, I get to ***** about it's shortcomings. It has faults but not so many that I couldn't overlook them and still buy one, use it and like it overall ;-) It's a good camera, but Canon released it too soon with too many operational issues that could easily be fixed via firmware. Waiting on you Canon.
 
Having worked with the camera now for a while I have some things on my list I don't like.

Compression/noise artefacts with H264 files.
Auto focus is unreliable. Face detection gets lost if the person blinks and it's erratic.
100fps slow motion soft and borderline to useless. And just one slow motion speed.
No conform of slow motion clips to normal speed in order to view slow motion footage in camera.
LCD quickly becomes difficult to see in daylight.
Touch screen not responding directly sometimes.
LCD mount not that great and often it doesn't feel level.
EVF also difficult to see in certain situations with bright sunlight.
Useless internal microphone.
Slow booting.
Need to reboot camera to go to playback.
It's heavier and bulkier than the C100.

Then it does have some very nice touches as well.
 
J.Brown said:
Having worked with the camera now for a while I have some things on my list I don't like.

Compression/noise artefacts with H264 files.
Auto focus is unreliable. Face detection gets lost if the person blinks and it's erratic.
100fps slow motion soft and borderline to useless. And just one slow motion speed.
No conform of slow motion clips to normal speed in order to view slow motion footage in camera.
LCD quickly becomes difficult to see in daylight.
Touch screen not responding directly sometimes.
LCD mount not that great and often it doesn't feel level.
EVF also difficult to see in certain situations with bright sunlight.
Useless internal microphone.
Slow booting.
Need to reboot camera to go to playback.
It's heavier and bulkier than the C100.

Then it does have some very nice touches as well.
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I don't understand the playback issue, I just shot 120 FPS last week for a client and played them back straight into an external TV Logic monitor in slow motion. The one I couldn't preview for them was 4K 60 FPS. As far as I know, there is no way for the camera to playback 4K 50p/60p in camera over a 23.98 or 25 fps time base, it can only do that with the FHD slow motion. 4K 50p/60p would have to be conformed and play back from end editor to see the results at 23.98 or 25p.
 
puredrifting said:
I bought a C200, I get to ***** about it's shortcomings. It has faults but not so many that I couldn't overlook them and still buy one, use it and like it overall ;-) It's a good camera, but Canon released it too soon with too many operational issues that could easily be fixed via firmware. Waiting on you Canon.
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Great, but i wasn't responding to you. When someone is responding to you, you can ***** all you want.
 
That's it for me. It just to be fun here and great humor.

Someone asked for help and you chimed in based on your experience. Pure altruism.

That's not the case anymore.

This type of open forums, with 'forum engineers' is just waste of time.
I don't understand why would someone praise certain camera to the stars unless it benefits from that action in any form.

Noise threshold is way higher then usable signal.

I will follow that trend then, maybe then people will finally start to think with their own head, get educated, do their own research and testing, read white papers instead 'moderated' forums etc.

Let me pick the subject...
 
Speaking for myself, I really planed on getting the C200, but presently owning; GH4, GH5’s and a DVX200, instead us upgrading my cameras, I would gain nothing when compared to the quality and flexibility, I get on my GH5 especially with my Atomos Inferno.

This is a typical game that manufactures play - they no longer release cameras when they are ready to release, they only release them to hoax loyal owners into buying a Pre-release product with bugs, to keep their buyers from wondering off and buying a GH5, EVA1 or URSA Pro Mini.

You can wish for what you like on a “want” list, but the Canon engine is not going to veer from the designed output specs. Asking this camera to do what users want, is like using a pickup truck as a dump truck, its overloaded and not going to happen.

While new firmware will fix the cosmetic operating quirks, its my guess what you have now is what your getting. Major changes that lower Canons options to sell better equipment is not in their business plan, they have bigger, better and more expensive cameras they want you to buy. They are not going to allow this camera to compete against their own equipment.

No matter how you slice it, the C200’s end product in Raw is not better than a GH5 /Atomos, URSA Pro or possibly the new EVA1. Other problems stems from not allowing current accepted formats to be recorded on SD. Another fail is having only one Cfast slot (maybe to reduce processor work) it surely not the cost of a slot or space on the camera.

Canon’s biggest fail is they limited the C200’s raw to Cfast recording media. Unlike say the URSA Mini Pro with two slots or using their $359 optional SSD battery recorder, or the GH5 with Atomos for endless cost effective recording, the C200 is flawed with expensive media that cost $1000-$1200 per hour. Myself, I’m not going a big job with less than 5-6 cards, since I don’t erase masters until after the product is delivered. This means, I’ll have the same cost $6000 in goofy Cfast cards as I paid for the camera body. Here’s some math - for the same cost of just two Cfast cards, you can buy an Atomos Inferno recorder/player and 5 Tb of storage.

Anyhow as I mentioned, I’ve had my eye on this piece for a while but after filtering out all the reports, its looking like the C200 is Broke and I’m still looking . . . . .

Regards - Mike
 
Alexander.M said:
Why don't you buy a CFast card or two to own and rent more when there is a job or bigger project?
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Quick answer is; Forget about renting any cards - I would never trust nor recommend anyone using a rental card for any serious work unless you're shooting your cat at home. You don't know the history on those cards and most likely handled by idiots who climb out of plastic chairs fully charged and zap the cards.

Regards!
 
Mike Mas said:
Quick answer is; Forget about renting any cards - I would never trust nor recommend anyone using a rental card for any serious work unless you're shooting your cat at home. You don't know the history on those cards and most likely handled by idiots who climb out of plastic chairs fully charged and zap the cards.

Regards!
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Is your real name Andrew? Asking for a friend...
 
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