Rumor: Canon 4k super35 camera
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Terry_Lasater
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lol
androbot2084
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For digital broadcasting all the main channels are high definition and it is only the subchannels that are in standard definition.
KyleProhaska
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I'm sure we'll get there someday, but it's not tomorrow. Shooting in 4K Digitally is one thing, and mastering in it is another. Most movies are still mastered in 2K. Star Wars is releasing tomorrow on Blu-ray for pete's sake. 1080p is here for stay for now...
Hoping it's a DSLR with some fixes/innovations. I'm almost not hoping for some sort of AF100ish camera. A 5D Mk III with Digic V, the Canon XF format to record to, and ill be happy. I've always thought it would be great if Canon created the DSLR with some sort of revolutionary hookup hidden on the bottom, almost like thunderbolt, that lets them attach a bottom piece to the 5D/7D or w/e that makes it higher like the 1D and includes things like 2 XLR inputs and whatever else. That would rock and give people the ability to use the smaller size or expand it. Dreams I know, but it would be nice.
Hoping it's a DSLR with some fixes/innovations. I'm almost not hoping for some sort of AF100ish camera. A 5D Mk III with Digic V, the Canon XF format to record to, and ill be happy. I've always thought it would be great if Canon created the DSLR with some sort of revolutionary hookup hidden on the bottom, almost like thunderbolt, that lets them attach a bottom piece to the 5D/7D or w/e that makes it higher like the 1D and includes things like 2 XLR inputs and whatever else. That would rock and give people the ability to use the smaller size or expand it. Dreams I know, but it would be nice.
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7 days before my b-day. Lets hope it a good early birthday present
If its a printer my birthday's going to suck
I don't think your birthday will suck. At least I hope not. I'm Waaaaayyyyy excited! More competition!!! Congrats to us all!!!!
BTW vcfilms....any idea what your parents had going around Valentines Day? (Seems like a lot of people are born around Nov 10th....hmmm....my wife's Bday is Nov 10, my daughter was due Nov 10...hmmmm....) lol
snowleopard
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As a poor schlub who works in TV, I felt the urge to comment.
What you wrote is true, nearly all main channels are 1080/60i. Lots of lower end stuff in SD still.
What isn't known, or accepted by a few, is that there are a LOT of people out there watching old TVs, and getting either a digital SD feed (at 864x486 digital widescreen) over the airwaves, or actually a dumbed down 720x486 SD quality (through cable, to an SD TV). Both of these signals are fairly highly compressed, and deal with digital issues we all know about.
What's going to really surprise you is just how many commercial spots are still shot in 4:3 SD. There are even spots shot in that format, with a widescreen center cut (meaning, you've got 720x360 image in a 720x486 picture). At television stations across the country commercial producers and master control techs are dealing with every format you can imagine. From 4:3 SD, to full HD. And believe it or not, some of those stations commercial production departments are still shooting on Betacams. No, not a lot, but some. Many stations have only recently upgraded to full HD. What you won't find, are stations waiting and gearing up for 4k. It's not even on the radar. I'd say we could even be a decade out from that happening. Yes, a decade.
As to national broadcasters, while I was employed by one on contract once, it was my impression that they aren't in that big of a hurry for 4k either. I got the impression a few years ago that (large company name here) were focusing on webcasting and streaming at high quality and high bandwidth, with interactivity. Picture what Monday Night Football was doing last year with allowing you to pick camera angles, with stats at the touch of a button. Or what the Tour de France was doing with GPS tracking and interactive maps, but at high quality, and more choices. Many, many more choices. I still didn't get the idea they were looking past 1080 though, at all. As in, ask again in the year 2017 or so.
Now, if you're talking about motion picture films for theatrical 4k projection, or 4k web delivery, or even comparing footage shot at 4k versus 1080p, shown at 1080, that's an entirely different ball game.
Haha! My first "real" camera was also a JVC, I actually originally got into filmmaking by using the video function on Canon digital compact still camera - the quality was horrible. In a way I beat Bloom and the lot to it :happy:! So the first time I hit record on a Canon DSLR I felt rather nostalgic.
"The story begins" reminds me of that Canon HD video contest they did, "The story beyond the still": http://vimeo.com/groups/beyondthestill. It's got to be the MKIII, or at least something you can shoot video on.
If it was one moth earlier with shipping in November I would have "the" camera for my Grand Prix coverage... (tongue in cheek post, of course 
Rolf Silber
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What about a video camera with exchangeable cartridges for colour and b/w?
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stancemedia
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I think this nailed the question of 'what could it be' on the head.
Ryan Patrick O'Hara
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It's a camera/printer without digital memory. Instead it prints out 24 frames per second. Then you cut them up and make a flip book. The new way to experience cinema
Joe Walker
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If...and I mean IF, they are truly unveiling a new video camera, I highly doubt it will be 4K. Just don't see it happening. Not with Canon. IF, and I re-iterate IF, they were to release a competitor to the S35 sensor cameras, my bets would be on the following:
1. In the old XL-H1 body style
2. 1080p max using their beloved MPEG2 50mbs 4:2:2 and maybe going as high as 60fps in 1080 recording to compact flash...maybe
3. I could possibly see them putting a PL mount on it, but I would bet higher on an EF mount being standard
4. Might have an HD-SDI or two with possible 10 bit uncompressed out the back end, so they can say they're competing against Sony
5. Some kind of optional rocker switch activated zoom like the F3 will have, again to compete against Sony
6. You know, the usual XL-H1 XLR inputs, switches, etc.
But I doubt it would be anymore innovative than that. Who wants to place bets?
1. In the old XL-H1 body style
2. 1080p max using their beloved MPEG2 50mbs 4:2:2 and maybe going as high as 60fps in 1080 recording to compact flash...maybe
3. I could possibly see them putting a PL mount on it, but I would bet higher on an EF mount being standard
4. Might have an HD-SDI or two with possible 10 bit uncompressed out the back end, so they can say they're competing against Sony
5. Some kind of optional rocker switch activated zoom like the F3 will have, again to compete against Sony
6. You know, the usual XL-H1 XLR inputs, switches, etc.
But I doubt it would be anymore innovative than that. Who wants to place bets?
Barry_Green
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Here's what's fun -- this announcement isn't supposed to take place for, what, seven weeks? That's an eternity in Internet-time. Between now and then, I'm sure we'll see posts about how Canon "promised" a new cinema camera, and how "everyone knows" that it'll be MPEG-2 50mbps, etc.
When in actuality, Canon hasn't said anything at all. Only that they will be making "an historic global announcement". No mention of even what this announcement could be about. Is it a camera product? Is it even a product at all? Could they be announcing that they've bought Technicolor? Sure. Could they be announcing that they're reorganizing their divisions? Certainly. Could they be announcing that they're buying Columbia studios from Sony? Why not? They could announce *anything*. Canon makes photocopiers, they make fax machines, they make still cameras, they make broadcast lenses. Could it be new PL lenses? Of course it could, and that would be an entirely appropriate thing to announce in Hollywood. Could it be a new PDF-compatible photocopier? Of course it could -- because they did that once before, with an eerily similar announcement. In September of 2009 (yes, almost two years ago to the day) Canon put out a similar teaser saying that they would be making "one of its largest and most important launches in the company’s history." Everyone was SURE that it was going to be a large-sensor video camera.
It turned out to be a photocopier that could make PDFs, or something like that.
So here we are two years later, almost to the day, another similarly worded announcement comes up, and everyones CERTAIN that it's going to be, yes, once again, a large-sensor video camera. Because this time the announcement takes place in Hollywood...
Well, we'll see. I certainly would be very, very, very surprised if they had an AF100/FS100/F3 competitor ready this early. I would think expectations for a 5D Mark III are probably a lot more realistic than expecting them to have a large-sensor dedicated video camera ready. But it could be a photocopier. It could be that they're buying facebook. The "global" word is the key word here, and implies to me that it's certainly something other than a camcorder announcement.
When in actuality, Canon hasn't said anything at all. Only that they will be making "an historic global announcement". No mention of even what this announcement could be about. Is it a camera product? Is it even a product at all? Could they be announcing that they've bought Technicolor? Sure. Could they be announcing that they're reorganizing their divisions? Certainly. Could they be announcing that they're buying Columbia studios from Sony? Why not? They could announce *anything*. Canon makes photocopiers, they make fax machines, they make still cameras, they make broadcast lenses. Could it be new PL lenses? Of course it could, and that would be an entirely appropriate thing to announce in Hollywood. Could it be a new PDF-compatible photocopier? Of course it could -- because they did that once before, with an eerily similar announcement. In September of 2009 (yes, almost two years ago to the day) Canon put out a similar teaser saying that they would be making "one of its largest and most important launches in the company’s history." Everyone was SURE that it was going to be a large-sensor video camera.
It turned out to be a photocopier that could make PDFs, or something like that.
So here we are two years later, almost to the day, another similarly worded announcement comes up, and everyones CERTAIN that it's going to be, yes, once again, a large-sensor video camera. Because this time the announcement takes place in Hollywood...
Well, we'll see. I certainly would be very, very, very surprised if they had an AF100/FS100/F3 competitor ready this early. I would think expectations for a 5D Mark III are probably a lot more realistic than expecting them to have a large-sensor dedicated video camera ready. But it could be a photocopier. It could be that they're buying facebook. The "global" word is the key word here, and implies to me that it's certainly something other than a camcorder announcement.
snowleopard
Well-known member
The only reason I would disagree with you is the reported price tag of $15k. That makes me think it's something to compete with the F3. But if the other specs are off, and the price is off, you may very well be right.
Latest rumored specs from engaget/wide open camera blog:
1. Canon Super 35 Sized CMOS Sensor. 2K and 4K Resolution with 10 or 12 Bit at 50Mbps.
2. 4K via 4 separate streams.
3. There will be two options Canon EF and PL Mount.
4. This is a Professional Video Camera not a DSLR.
5. Price point around $15K US.
Other rumor is that there are 5 to 10 pre-production units of whatever this thing is in the hands of pros as we speak.
1. Canon Super 35 Sized CMOS Sensor. 2K and 4K Resolution with 10 or 12 Bit at 50Mbps.
2. 4K via 4 separate streams.
3. There will be two options Canon EF and PL Mount.
4. This is a Professional Video Camera not a DSLR.
5. Price point around $15K US.
Other rumor is that there are 5 to 10 pre-production units of whatever this thing is in the hands of pros as we speak.