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The Amira is a slightly different setup to the Alexa and much more a traditional broadcast/doc camera with an Arri sensor.

But yes, I think in this day and age it should be standard. the FS5 one is pretty amazing in an otherwise unremarkable camera.
 
Regarding 4.6K videos --> there are only a few right now and all can be found over on BMCuser, or just search URSA Mini 4.6K in Vimeo and filter 'latest' videos. There are only a handful right now. For the 4K Mini, which has the same sensor as the 4K URSA (really doesn't matter if it's V1 or V2 as that was just a HFR tweak), you can search again and filter by 'popularity'. You'll obviously have way more to watch with this one.

There are many beautiful videos and I have literally watched all of them because I am crazy and I have watched all of the FS7 videos as well.

The only reason I said what I said like it was a fact because what was said about the 4.6K came off like a fact.

If one ends up taking the time and watching some BM samples, please feel free to share your thoughts. If one can't see the beautiful quality and colors that those cameras produce then I don't know. I've seen some nice FS7 footage, but the majority of it is truly lifeless to me...gray, no colors, no pop. And that can very well be because of shooting S-Log2/3 and not grading enough.

P.S. - I love my A7RII.
 
Could you please show one 4.6k Ursa Mini that is 100 x the image quality of the FS7 as you stated? Or even on a par with the good FS7 stuff if you like.

I've seen a wedding video

A couple on the grass video

People at the beach video

All of them are poorly shot and poorly graded. Most of the stuff has had a film emulation lut applied and then been left as is, as though that in itself is the grade.

Is there something else I should be looking at?
 
I've searched already. You tell me which is the brilliant 4.6k Ursa Mini video because thus far it doesn't exist. I keep hearing people saying it but nobody seems to want to show it.

Poorly graded is only subjective past a certain point.

I have no dog in this fight. I have no allegiance to any camera company. These days I dislike them all equally :)

But 'good enough' is not the same as 'good' and it was you saying in terms of image quality it was better than the FS7. Why is it so hard to show an example of that?
 
Ben Scott said:
These days I dislike them all equally :)
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Ain't that the truth.

My reckless comment was because of this:

Ben Scott said:
I genuinely think people need to stop talking about the Ursa mini in the same breath as those cameras.

Nothing from it looks even vaguely in the same ballpark of quality as the FS7, let alone them. Realistically it will be going head to head with the C100mk2 and the FS5.
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At the end of the day all is good and I don't care, but I just think it's ridiculous to compare the URSA Mini 4.6K to a C100mk2.
 
The C100mk2 is a proven capable broadcast and documentary camera just just doesn't have any bells and whistles. No shame at all being compared to it.

Don't mean to rip into you but I just hear people going into meltdown over the Ursa Mini images and I have not seen one single clip that looked above average yet and nobody ever seems to be prepared to stand behind one of these clips that are supposedly all over the place.

BMCUser is about the only forum more rabid than Reduser :)
 
NorBro said:
Search, search...

https://vimeo.com/search/sort:latest?q=ursa+mini+4.6K

Watch the first one for example that pops up (4.6K):

https://vimeo.com/148429958

"Poorly graded" is subjective just like my opinion about "lifeless" footage.
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I still do not think this shows the potential of the camera. I am really interested in seeing more footage from the 4.6K but I don't think this set of Vimeo videos showcases the camera adequately enough yet. Each to his own though. I thought the initial FS7 videos were poor too but I own one now. I think we have to wait until the camera is in the hands of many more before making judgements.

I just worked on a shoot with the RED Dragon yesterday and forgot how nice the sensor is for the range of shooting we did. I can see myself moving from the FS7 to something like the Raven or Scarlet in the future.
 
Ben Scott said:
The Amira is a slightly different setup to the Alexa and much more a traditional broadcast/doc camera with an Arri sensor.
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My comment was more aimed at the Alexa Mini's NDs & only mentioned the Amira because it's NDs have contributed to that camera being widely used in scenarios outside of ENG/Doc, including on top a Dolly for the studio commercial I'm on right now.

Suspect ARRI added the same ND system to the Mini so it be better suited to gimbals, & drones, but again that camera is becoming a production favorite partly due to the benifits of it's filter system, so imagine we'll see it on most all future bodies.

I too have no idea how the Motion Mount works, & while it's great for some uses, I've heard it comes with it own set of issues.
 
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Martin.G said:
Understandably though. Canon 5D is a remarkable photo camera. When i bought my A7 II the first thing i noticed, is that it was not a professional stills camera. Though its better for my landscape photography needs, and video needs.
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I shoot regularly for a few different national broadcasts(nbc sports, espn and fox sports to name a few) as well as agency work and regularly bring my a7rii along with a 1dx. Strangely, I thought the sony would be more of a "personal use/backup" camera for professional work but I have been picking it up more and more as time goes on. The sensor delivers image quality on a much different level than any of my previous Canons, really an impressive accomplishment from sony here. Not a fan of adapters but do use them regularly, however if you get to shoot with either of their zeis 35/55 primes its a wonderful experience

About the only reason I keep the 1dx is the autofocus, battery life and ridiculously great build quality. The only thing Sony needs is to add is some more processing power and refine a couple of other little things. It is an extremely capable and professional tool though :)
 
I had a great chat with another DoP after a screening last night (he currently owns a Scarlet Dragon), and we both concluded that we're mostly just relieved that we're past the point of diminishing returns for image quality now. With cameras like an F5 or Scarlet Dragon (or even more so Scarlet Weapon), the quality level is so high, that there really is no longer any pressing need to upgrade to the latest and greatest. Clients don't pay enough for owner-op cameras to justify the constant cycle of upgrading, but fortunately, with cameras as good as these ones already are, the pressure is off - for the rates we can muster for most jobs, they do the job sublimely.

If the money's there to shoot on the best gear money can buy? Great, rent it for those shoots and enjoy the luxury. When it's not, you're perfectly well covered by these cameras.

This means we're finally at a point where we can happily just run these cameras into the ground. Eek every last usable hour out of them - that's the only way to really get your money's worth out of them. At this stage it's going to take a really nice Vistavision-sensored camera (that can make full use of my Zeiss CZ.2s) or a bargain basement price on an Alexa, to get me to move-on.
 
Motion mount works a bit like welding glasses ( apparently ) were you dial down or up the opacity of the glass to control Dof etc via digital control ( not polarising ).

I believe in some cases with motion mount you can have issues as the opacity is electronically timed to the cameras shutter speed .
 
LeoGrey said:
You are not alone in that thought Yoak...

It is without a doubt one of the top 3 motion sensors in the world & it wouldn't be if it couldn't render skin tones correctly :) Statements such as those are silly and stem from inexperience or never having operated one in the first place.
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Inexperience or never having operated one in the first place?

You don't know me, so what the hell you are talking about when you refer to me in that manner?
I have operated for years, including both RED and Alexa cameras, and every flavor of Sony and Canon.
I have shot advertising for major brands including Louis Vuitton, Coca-Cola and Head sportswear.
I also grade professionally both for myself and others.
When I say there are issues with skin tones on RED cameras including Dragon, I mean it.
Why do you think they have to have 3 different OLPF's including a skin tone one for that camera?
Even RED themselves know there are issues with skin tones using their cameras.

You really need to stop insulting others, simply because they do not share your opinion.
 
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LeoGrey said:
.... I don't think a anyone(other than you) ever hoped the 1DX series would offer "competitive" video features. They are two completely different cameras targeted towards two completely different industries...
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You're confusing 1D X, 1D C and 1D XII. The first is a photo camera for pros. The second is a hybrid photo-video camera, that could indeed use peaking and waveform, and the third is presumably has the features of both and can be equally adept in being a sport or a narrative camera.

As will the eagerly anticipated D5 and (whenever it comes out, if ever) A99II.
 
If I recall correctly, the Red Centre podcast interview with a Canon guy confirmed the only difference between the 1d-X and 1D-C is firmware.
 
yoclay said:
Inexperience or never having operated one in the first place?

You don't know me, so what the hell you are talking about when you refer to me in that manner?
I have operated for years, including both RED and Alexa cameras, and every flavor of Sony and Canon.
I have shot advertising for major brands including Louis Vuitton, Coca-Cola and Head sportswear.
I also grade professionally both for myself and others.
When I say there are issues with skin tones on RED cameras including Dragon, I mean it.
Why do you think they have to have 3 different OLPF's including a skin tone one for that camera?
Even RED themselves know there are issues with skin tones using their cameras.

You really need to stop insulting others, simply because they do not share your opinion.
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I don't think he was being intending to be insulting at all, but the only thing I'd say is a lot of other people tend to chime in with real world examples and post images the demonstrate what they are talking about. You do have a habit of telling everyone how experienced and knowledgeable you are as though everyone should just nod and agree with your broad (and in my opinion outdated) statements and then never question it or you, and when I or others have asked to to substantiate some claims you have made which clearly fly in the face of easily attainable evidence, you have refused and said it would be unprofessional to post any of your work. Which, you know... without being deliberately antagonistic, it is sometimes not the easiest thing to accept what you say. I mean, most people who work in this field can say they grade professionally and it technically be true. I graded a film that is currently on the BAFTA longlist. I wouldn't call myself a colourist though. Which adverts did you shoot for Coca Cola? That must have been an amazing gig. I am very jealous. Would love to see some of your work.
 
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