digital_walnut
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Where is this 3K at 120fps spec for the old scarlet coming from? The 120fps demo they released was shot in 720p.
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mjmcneese
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Same reason why national broadcast commercials are shot on 35mm. No one is watching 35mm film at home, they're watching it on a 1080 HD consumer TV.
So, why? The higher quality you start with, the more quality you will end up with. Plus a whole host of other flexibility options that such high resolutions give you. Work with it and you will understand.
combatentropy
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TV ad directors choose film for the tones, not the resolution. Commercials shot on film do not look sharper than ones shot on Betacams, the colors and tones look far better. Or rather, it used to be so. Check out this commercial shot with the 5DMkII.
It just goes to show you that with the right grading, you can get a look indistinguishable from film with any HD camera.
dustylense
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And DOF over 16mm and 8mm. AND... THEY usually have the budget.
dustylense
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You talk that 3D is not the success the studios hoped for, because ticket sales are down. While we are comparing $20,000 cameras, the world is on economic fire. Ticket sales are down because people are cutting back on the frivolous spending and buying expensive gas and food.
Not true. Canon EOS to C-mount adapters are about 40 bucks. I will use my 16mm glass for 2k format. 5.5mm to 120mm at f1.5 to f1.8 max apertures.
Also plan to use a decent set of Minolta MD Rokkors I have for 35mm with another $40 adapter.
So I am covered for lenses to start with. Probably pick up a new Canon OIS zoom or two at some point.
EOS to C mount is for using Canon lenses on C mount camera - is Scarlet still C mount??? I sold my 16mm lenses - so I don,t really care, but I was shocked by Nov3 announcement. I guess it was already ready - poor Scarlet - to be born - but was aborted/thrown into garbage bin with all these mini primes (?) by its brutal mad master. Then he reached into another garbage bin - for Epic reject parts - to make quick replacement - so nobody would notice bloody murder. Don't call it Scarlet - she is dead. Just call it Epic-B.
dustylense
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That's how I see it. Scarlet on the boards as we knew it FAILED. This new camera is just a sorta Canon T2i Epic-S. A really expensive one too, after you gear up to comfortably use it (extra drives, batteries, beef up your computer, add PL mount, more drives, more storage, more production time with less shooting because your still grading your image, more storage space, beef up computer again because you went cheap and didn't do it right the first time, down time in shooting trying to figure out how to get that 120fps shot to match the FOV of the 3k shot, converting your footage......).
androbot2084
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Jim Jannard argues that 3K at 48 fps is good enough because it is sharper than 4K at 24 fps.
androbot2084
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One thing about the Scarlett is that it is more like a Red One Jr. rather the original consumer soccer Mom design. Maybe Jim should give people what they need (3K 120fps for $3000) rather than what they want.
You know, I was thinking the same thing. Up until now no one has ever needed to hack a Red camera. Now that the scarlet has limitations, it may become a reality. But if it's a hardware drawback then it probably wont do much.
I don't think that will be a problem. I think the only difference between EPIC and Scarlet is firmware and color.
Jim already lied about the Scarlet when he wrote the FAQ:
How can you offer Scarlet-X at this price when EPIC is so much more?
Data rates and processing power. ASICs that weren't fast enough for EPIC… just became a gold mine for Scarlet.This, and board component reduction, allows us to lower the data rate throughput and significantly reduce our costs over volume.
How much does Scarlet weigh?
Exactly the same as EPIC.
Interesting. Now, another question is if there are any functions built in to stop reverse-engineering of the firmware? Is there encryption? I'm sure Red have never really worried about hacks, so they have never really needed to put effective safeguards in place (not that it means much in any case. Anything that can be engineered, can be reverse-engineered). Red firmware updates are freely available for owners, so it is already easily accessible.
Hehe probably but I'm a bit doubtful this will happen. Its not like VItaly will buy a Scarlet to reverse engineer it, and frankly i don't see anyone willing to brick their 14K investment by doing this... The F3, for example, is really Firmware limited. No one seemed to attempt reverse engineering it...
Erich Ocean
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The Scarlet can way the same and still use different chips. The most obvious is using less RAM – the chips are the same size. Similar arguments exist for lower-speed versions of the other chips, which are also cheaper to buy.
Bottom line: the board can be cheaper, and still weigh exactly the same.
On top of which, Jarred has mentioned Scarlet is a few grams lighter. Also remember that silicon is very, very light. The actual weight comes from the packaging, which will be largely same between Scarlet and Epic.
I'd buy this argument, except the recession has been with us for nearly four years now. The 3D craze took off right in the middle of it. While economics undoubtedly plays a role, the more likely explanation is that the novelty has worn off, the 3D is frequently badly done (or pointless for the subject matter), and for many the experience is inconvenient or even physically unpleasant and not worth the ticket price premium.