Re: Sony A7RII - FIRST video sample!!!

cpc said:
I don't think FF is full sensor readout; actually they only specifically state this for the s35 mode which kinda implies FF mode is NOT.
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In that case I wonder how many pixels comprises S35? At 12MP, the A7S has horrible rolling shutter. S35*42MP = ?
 
All that is left now is for Sigma to create a constant F1.8 zoom lens, then the A7RII would be the documentary mirrorless king!
 
ectobuilder said:
In that case I wonder how many pixels comprises S35? At 12MP, the A7S has horrible rolling shutter. S35*42MP = ?
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About 15 MPX (but this is a much faster sensor).

evilthought said:
Sigma never created F1.8 zoom for FF camera as that lens would be huge. The one they created for APSC can already be used on A7 in crop mode.
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24/105 F4 should be almost good enough for most circumstances for run&gun. Add in the crop factor for 4K too, if you like.
 
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Oops, i just posted a new thread because i didn't see this. Not sure how to delete a thread or whether i should.

cheers
Paul
 
cpc said:
I don't think FF is full sensor readout; actually they only specifically state this for the s35 mode which kinda implies FF mode is NOT.
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I would understand it differently, IMO they only specify it for s35 to emphasize that "even s35 is oversampled now" unlike on the A7s. FF already was so no need to mention it again.
 
This is the best news bit that I have found so far about the a7R II. Summary: amazing. Much better than I expected.

It's the first FF BSI sensor ever, which is a feat. Given that in RAW stills the a7R was just one stop short of the low light performance of the a7S (my test), I would expect the a7R II to match it (again: on RAW stills, downsampled). And this with 42 Mpix and in-sensor phase detect, on a tiny camera for which you can find some of the best lenses around (the 55mm f/1.8 and the two Batis, 25mm f/2 and 85mm f/1.8, are awesome). And with IBIS, and with an electronic first curtain to avoid the problems of the original a7R. I think this camera is going to be HUGE for photogs. I see no flaws whatsoever. Maybe the burst speed is not enough for sports, but you won't mind a bigger body if you're using a very long lens anyway.

Now for video... also pretty good!! I expected IBIS and slog2, but I didn't expect 4K. But not being a full readout in FF mode means not only that there can be some aliasing/moire (maybe just with very tiny detail on sharp lenses), but also that low light won't be able to compete with the a7S. Which is not a problem... if they bring down the base ISO for slog2. In FF 4K, it will probably be usable just up to ISO 3200, maybe 6400. So unless they allow us to use slog2 from ISO 400 or 800 onwards, it will become very limiting. Let's see...

Now, what can be in store for the a7S? IBIS and internal 4K must be there, but even with those it wouldn't feel a lot better than the a7R II. New sensor with BSI and in-sensor phase detect? Maybe. What I'd like to see? Slog3, for even better DR.
 
What a killer camera... Even just one of those main features would be enough to make it good, but they've decided to put everything in just one body. Just wow.
 
Samuel H said:
This is the best news bit that I have found so far about the a7R II. Summary: amazing. Much better than I expected.

It's the first FF BSI sensor ever, which is a feat. Given that in RAW stills the a7R was just one stop short of the low light performance of the a7S (my test), I would expect the a7R II to match it (again: on RAW stills, downsampled). And this with 42 Mpix and in-sensor phase detect, on a tiny camera for which you can find some of the best lenses around (the 55mm f/1.8 and the two Batis, 25mm f/2 and 85mm f/1.8, are awesome). And with IBIS, and with an electronic first curtain to avoid the problems of the original a7R. I think this camera is going to be HUGE for photogs. I see no flaws whatsoever. Maybe the burst speed is not enough for sports, but you won't mind a bigger body if you're using a very long lens anyway.
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Don't forget that BSI = thinner sensor = wider range of incident light = Leica M lenses with better performance.
 
It's three cameras: a7R II, RX10 II, and RX100 IV

The RX10 and RX100 are fixed-lens, so they won't take any lenses except the one they come with, m43 or not.
 
An interesting thing here is whether they get a superior color palette with their ~ 15 MPX-into-4K oversampling, somewhat closer to what F65 is capable of with its 20 MPX sensor, and a camera that is about $60,000 more expensive. As of now - and please, correct me if I am wrong - only Alexa 65, F65 and Red Dragon 6K have that feature.
 
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Samuel H said:
This is the best news bit that I have found so far about the a7R II. Summary: amazing. Much better than I expected.
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I think this is really good news as well, buried in the press release:

Additionally, the focal plane phase-detection AF system on the α7R II works well with Sony A-mount lenses when they are mounted on the camera using an LA-EA3 or LA-EA1 mount adapter. This allows users to enjoy the wide AF coverage of 399 focal plane phase-detection AF points, high-speed response and high tracking performance with a wider range of lenses.
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Means all those old (and cheap) Minolta and Sony a-mount lenses now have a new lease on life. Also means no more need to complain about lack of e-mount lenses, since a-mount versions finally can work well with auto focus. Apparently the same applies when using Canon lenses with Metabones adapters. Read the following two quotes on dpreview:

PDAF will work even with third-party lenses via existing adapters, including in continuous AF tracking mode. This is potentially a huge deal – especially for Canon users. We’ve used an a7R II with a Canon 24-70mm lens and a Metabones adapter, and focus is indeed very fast indeed. We’ll be looking at this in more depth as soon as we have a production sample camera, but for now, we’re highly impressed.
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Sony says the on-sensor phase-detection AF can be used with A-mount lenses using the simpler LA-E3 adapter, rather than the LA-E4 that had an SLT mechanism built in. At the press launch in New York we even got a glimpse of the a7R II autofocusing Canon EF lenses using a Metabones electronic adapter. Focus appeared to be on par with OVF focus on a native Canon body, and the AF experience itself didn't appear to be limited simply because you're using a third party lens (full coverage and tracking are available).
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On the video side I'm bummed that it line skips in FF 4k mode, but at least this camera having internal 4k recording should force the A7S Mark 2 to also have it.
 
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Samuel H said:
This is the best news bit that I have found so far about the a7R II. Summary: amazing. Much better than I expected.

It's the first FF BSI sensor ever, which is a feat. Given that in RAW stills the a7R was just one stop short of the low light performance of the a7S (my test), I would expect the a7R II to match it (again: on RAW stills, downsampled). And this with 42 Mpix and in-sensor phase detect, on a tiny camera for which you can find some of the best lenses around (the 55mm f/1.8 and the two Batis, 25mm f/2 and 85mm f/1.8, are awesome). And with IBIS, and with an electronic first curtain to avoid the problems of the original a7R. I think this camera is going to be HUGE for photogs. I see no flaws whatsoever. Maybe the burst speed is not enough for sports, but you won't mind a bigger body if you're using a very long lens anyway.

Now for video... also pretty good!! I expected IBIS and slog2, but I didn't expect 4K. But not being a full readout in FF mode means not only that there can be some aliasing/moire (maybe just with very tiny detail on sharp lenses), but also that low light won't be able to compete with the a7S. Which is not a problem... if they bring down the base ISO for slog2. In FF 4K, it will probably be usable just up to ISO 3200, maybe 6400. So unless they allow us to use slog2 from ISO 400 or 800 onwards, it will become very limiting. Let's see...

Now, what can be in store for the a7S? IBIS and internal 4K must be there, but even with those it wouldn't feel a lot better than the a7R II. New sensor with BSI and in-sensor phase detect? Maybe. What I'd like to see? Slog3, for even better DR.
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All that is missing is the touch screen for touch focus and quick silent adjustments of camera functions. Oh and using mini-hdmi instead of micro.
 
"PDAF will work even with third-party lenses via existing adapters, including in continuous AF tracking mode. This is potentially a huge deal – especially for Canon users. We’ve used an a7R II with a Canon 24-70mm lens and a Metabones adapter, and focus is indeed very fast indeed. We’ll be looking at this in more depth as soon as we have a production sample camera, but for now, we’re highly impressed."

If this is true then my 7D Mark II is gone gone gone!
 
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