7D Re: 7D Mark II

for video id still save $800 and get the 70d, flip out screen and more video features, and since not a FF sensor probably wont be better for video.

For stills, id get the full frame 6d over this. I dont see the point of this camera?
 
PegLeg Media said:
for video id still save $800 and get the 70d, flip out screen and more video features, and since not a FF sensor probably wont be better for video.

For stills, id get the full frame 6d over this. I dont see the point of this camera?
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I think it'd depends on what kind of stills you were shooting. If you were a sports or a wildlife photographer, a high speed crop body would be a big advantage over a 6d.

For video, though, I completely agree. Doesn't compete with cameras from other companies. It's like Canon only thinks they're competing with themselves. Gh4 with speedbooster, blackmagic pocket or a7s appear to be better if your concern is video. In fact they're all better in different ways (4k, slomo, raw, low light) and canon didn't bother trying to outclass any of them in any way.

But hey, thanks for the 1080/60p Canon...
 
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Yep this camera has the 1DX's autofocus system which is basically unmatched in subject tracking of any stills camera in existence with the exception of the 1D or D4 line. For video its certainly a waste of time unless Magic Lantern hacks it for 4K. Haha
 
Canon has always been a conservative company. When everyone else went tapeless and AVCHD, Canon stuck with the HDV XHA1 and XHA1S for years. While others were getting into the large sensor video camera game, Canon watched and finally updated their 1/3" cameras by going tapeless with the XF300 cameras. Canon released the C series cameras which were fairly conservative in spec. Now while others are releasing camera after camera, esp Sony, Canon is standing by with the C series.
The reason this works for them, is that while the cameras are never revolutionary....they are very solid, reliable, well thought out (of course not completely) and produce high quality images. The XHA1 had a good reputation among those who worked with them . Same for the XF300. Ditto the C Series. How this spins into DSLRs is very similar. The 7D and 5D MK2 were/are workhorses for Photographers who do occasional video pieces. That is where the bread an butter is for the 5D MK3 and 7D Mark2. They are not the best choice for those who think video first. For the same money (after adding video centered pieces to the DSLR) one can just get a C100 if they primarily do video/cinema/docs.

Everything I just said doesn't mean I totally agree with Canons way of thinking, I just feel that it is kind of how they look at their road map. Slow and steady.
 
PegLeg Media said:
for video id still save $800 and get the 70d, flip out screen and more video features, and since not a FF sensor probably wont be better for video.

For stills, id get the full frame 6d over this. I dont see the point of this camera?
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The 70D has horrible rolling shutter though, that's not to say the 7D Mark II won't either. I'm hoping with the Dual Digic 6 processor that it won't have as bad rolling shutter. Where the 70D shines is for interviews since we can silently touch the screen to re-focus on our subject in case face tracking fails during the interview.
 
pulpfiction007 said:
Canon has always been a conservative company. When everyone else went tapeless and AVCHD, Canon stuck with the HDV XHA1 and XHA1S for years. While others were getting into the large sensor video camera game, Canon watched and finally updated their 1/3" cameras by going tapeless with the XF300 cameras. Canon released the C series cameras which were fairly conservative in spec. Now while others are releasing camera after camera, esp Sony, Canon is standing by with the C series.
The reason this works for them, is that while the cameras are never revolutionary....they are very solid, reliable, well thought out (of course not completely) and produce high quality images. The XHA1 had a good reputation among those who worked with them . Same for the XF300. Ditto the C Series. How this spins into DSLRs is very similar. The 7D and 5D MK2 were/are workhorses for Photographers who do occasional video pieces. That is where the bread an butter is for the 5D MK3 and 7D Mark2. They are not the best choice for those who think video first. For the same money (after adding video centered pieces to the DSLR) one can just get a C100 if they primarily do video/cinema/docs.

Everything I just said doesn't mean I totally agree with Canons way of thinking, I just feel that it is kind of how they look at their road map. Slow and steady.
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Keep in mind, Dual Pixel AF is quite innovative, just not as sexy as 409,000 ISO or 10-bit 422. I am really interested to see how the Dual Pixel AF has been implemented on the 7D Mark II.
 
Here is my read on the footage. I could easily be wrong. It looks like they might be doing some sort of pixel binning as I didn't see any aliasing and the footage didn't appear unnaturally sharp. It looks like it is still using the poor video conversion that creates fairly bad resolution at 1080p. The ISO performance appears to be better than any of the other Canon crop cameras. Looks like a Canon.
 
cpreston said:
Here is my read on the footage. I could easily be wrong. It looks like they might be doing some sort of pixel binning as I didn't see any aliasing and the footage didn't appear unnaturally sharp. It looks like it is still using the poor video conversion that creates fairly bad resolution at 1080p. The ISO performance appears to be better than any of the other Canon crop cameras. Looks like a Canon.
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I wouldn't argue with you one bit. What you just said too technical for me and absolutely sounds like you know what you are talking about. lol!
 
cpreston said:
Here is my read on the footage. I could easily be wrong. It looks like they might be doing some sort of pixel binning as I didn't see any aliasing and the footage didn't appear unnaturally sharp. It looks like it is still using the poor video conversion that creates fairly bad resolution at 1080p. The ISO performance appears to be better than any of the other Canon crop cameras. Looks like a Canon.
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There is another sample footage of a snowboarder and there was moire in the snow and mountains.
 
ectobuilder said:
Here is a sample footage from the 7D Mark II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4s-QvnxpE0
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WOW. I don't really know what to say. I feel like this is similar to the reveal of the iwatch. Just a sad, little, wet fart. I'm glad I bought my gh4 a couple months ago and didn't look back.

SIDENOTE: The content of this video is like something Mr. G from Summer Heights High would put together.
 
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Moire in the snow? Well, then it is just like any other Canon DSLR, but with slightly better ISO than the other crop frames. It's possible the 1080p out might be good, though.
 
cpreston said:
Well, then it is just like any other Canon DSLR, but with slightly better ISO than the other crop frames.
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3200 ISO shots dont look cleaner to me than what a 70D could do...and generally that video is really disappointing...:(
A touch...but not flip screen??? Is that a bad joke?
Dont get me wrong...Im sure there will be people who will create wonderful videos with it...as they re keep on making them with a T2i...but thats not the point now...
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQkjRMmh_-I

Here's a half-decent sample in Canon DSLRs' worst nightmare, wide detailed shots. Image looks quite clean. What do you guys think?
 
cpreston said:
The weather resistant professional cameras don't have flip screens. The way they are used, a flip screen is just a liability.
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GH3 and GH4 are weather resistant and have a flip screen. Nikon also putting a flip screen in their new D750...
 
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQkjRMmh_-I

Here's a half-decent sample in Canon DSLRs' worst nightmare, wide detailed shots. Image looks quite clean. What do you guys think?
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There is aliasing in a few shots...and the image doesnt look to me improved from the previous models...
 
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