Bruce Foreman
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WOW!
I see what you mean by "wicked-sharp".
I see what you mean by "wicked-sharp".
GH4 Panasonic GH5 coming in 2017
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Yes i have no doubt i have watched Markus Starks films with a Leica 400mm,but i was hoping for better results with the Lumix on the GH5,the fact the RX10 111 with a fixed lens on clear zoom well beets it is disgusting.
Peter Berry
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Beautiful, truly immersive! Shot with the Leica 12-60 and 100-400, and very crisp with any sharpening artifact I could see.
Sheldon Charron
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So Peter, some of this was AF? I was under the impression the AF didn't work well with the Speedbooster and Canon glass on the GH4/GH5. I am not having good luck with native lenses on my GH5 right now and am thinking of sending the lenses back and getting a speedbooster. I've never owned one before and the only Canon Glass I have left is the 24-105L that I kept with plans to sell my 6D, but I really miss my 70-200mm 2.8L II and extenders, and my older 100-400L. Was going to get the Panasonic 100-400, but I can't handle the way the manual focus works on those lenses at all and I like the look of Canon glass.
What lenses do some of you GH5 shooters recommend with the speedbooster? I bought the Panasonic 7-14mm f4, the 4.25mm 1.2 Nocticron and the 12-35mm 2.8 II and I'm thinking of sending them all back. That's $3500 worth of lenses and I'm planning to spend another $1500 or so. So say with a $4-4500 budget. What lenses for the GH5 and a speedbooster?
I need one for interviews, and the others will be used for doc work and wildlife, run and gun hunting show type stuff. Can I use canon glass on an a6500 for interviews and if I want to run a second body?
What lenses do some of you GH5 shooters recommend with the speedbooster? I bought the Panasonic 7-14mm f4, the 4.25mm 1.2 Nocticron and the 12-35mm 2.8 II and I'm thinking of sending them all back. That's $3500 worth of lenses and I'm planning to spend another $1500 or so. So say with a $4-4500 budget. What lenses for the GH5 and a speedbooster?
I need one for interviews, and the others will be used for doc work and wildlife, run and gun hunting show type stuff. Can I use canon glass on an a6500 for interviews and if I want to run a second body?
Bern Caughey
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"The Final Word
Panasonic's GH cameras have consistently been at the vanguard of convergence between the still and video worlds, and the GH5 arguably represents the biggest single leap in the history of the series. It adds features typically associated with more expensive, pro video equipment, though Panasonic is quick to remind you that it's a still camera too.
The importance of internal 4:2:2 color and 10-bit video cannot be overstated, and has an impact on what you can do with footage in post processing. The addition of 4K/60p video also makes it possible to insert slow motion 4K into a project without sacrificing resolution.
Panasonic has also provided the tools needed to leverage the camera's advanced features, including waveform, vectorscope, Log gamma, and built-in LUT display. Log gamma is becoming more common on cameras, but less so the ability to apply a LUT in-camera. Uploading custom LUTs is unique to the GH5 in this class.
If you're primarily a stills shooter, the GH5 would make a fine choice if you're looking at the Four Thirds ecosystem, but there are arguably better options out there for the money. That said, the tweaks to the JPEG engine and the 9fps burst shooting with reliable autofocus make the GH5 an excellent all-around proposition for hybrid video and stills photographers.
If you're serious about video, it's hard to go wrong. This camera can probably deliver the goods unless you have very specialized needs, and if you're just learning, it's a camera you can grow with. But what if you're already a GH4 user? Think of it like this: the GH5 isn't just a camera that does everything your current camera can do, plus a bunch of other things. This is a camera that does everything your current camera can do, but better (often by a wide margin)… plus a bunch of other things. So yes, it's probably worth it.
Because of all that, the Panasonic GH5 wins our Gold Award. Let's make that a Gold Award with its subtle, sparkling tones described in 4:2:2 10-bit color."
Cary Knoop
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"One area that fell outside the scope of this review was an in-depth analysis of the GH5's 10-bit vs. 8-bit video modes. Suffice it to say that 10-bit video looks fantastic, and we're looking forward to exploring this in detail as a standalone article. Stay tuned. "
A missed chance and one would wonder why?
And where is the testing on log footage?
I think the jury is still out if the GH5 has a true 10 bit resolution or if it is mostly marketing dithering and if 10 bit log footage has improved significantly over the 8 bit GH4.
I think it's because very few NLE's will edit the 10bit yet. It requires transcoding for the most part at this point. Just watching with MPC-HC 64 bit, the 10 bit footage is quite impressive. When pixel peeping around in it, it's cleaner and just looks better to my eye. I think it's significant vs the 8 bit footage, but I can't prove it due to Vegas not being able to see it yet.
Cheers, Pete
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iain.bason
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What this video seems to show is that there is little chance of recovering badly exposed footage when shooting 8-bit, but this is not the case with 10-bit footage. And I imagine this would also be the case when pushing your footage when grading. ( i.e. the 8-bit footage would fall apart much faster than the 10-bit footage would )
filmguy123
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I keep hearing of people having problems with editing the 10-bit... on Windows 10 Premiere Pro latest version I have had zero issue (at least that I am aware of?) Importing 10-bit 4K footage both in CineD and VlogL. Is there something I am missing?
On my HP laptop (just has Intel GPU so only software acceleration) the 10 bit files have been OK, a little slow as I expected since its only an I5. I had brief issue on my I7 desktop when the program monitor would only show the dreaded yellow screen. Thinking about the laptop without CUDA, I when into the project properties and turned off the CUDA acceleration and everything showed up perfectly. Just to test I switched the CUDA back on and all was still OK.
Cary Knoop
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It is broken in Resolve 12.5.5, on earlier versions it worked.
But I would advice to transcode anyway.
Cary Knoop
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I don't know what the color grader of that video was thinking because if you crush the shadows into the blacks there isn't much of a point using log recording.
Thomas Smet
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Marketing dithering??? Only if you choose to ignore the stuff that has been out there for over a month. Plenty of people have seen a clear advantage. it may not be as good as 10bit external but it is a huge improvement over log on the GH4. If Paul Leeming sees a clear advantage to the 10bit then it is there.
Thomas Smet
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Sure is. The point of log isn't to keep the video flat. The point of log similar to that of raw is to give the choice to the colorist in post what gets crushed and what is saved. Grading typically involves crushing to increase contrast. You can't have contrast and punch without crushing something. log provides that ability to adjust the grade in any direction after it was shot vs being stuck with crushed lows or highs and never being able to recover them.
Indeed. The lack of banding alone (which is clearly evident in samples already seen) should be proof enough to most by now. It seems some people are looking for reasons to not like the GH5. It's not a perfect camera, because there IS no such thing, but at its price point, there isn't anything else that competes as an all-around solution, or even at much higher price points. If you need super low-light, go with Sony. Other than that...
filmguy123
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Honestly, the GH5 just looks so much better to my eye footage wise that even if some test revealed it's not true 10-bit blah blah blah I'd still be quite happy. I mean really - the fact that the GH5 to most people's eyes could compete with much larger format and much more expensive cameras is hugely exciting to me.
I am not downplaying the importance of accurate marketing, I am simply just stating that there's a lot of hoopla over the net and youtube right now focusing on potential problems (fair enough!) and nitpicking specs and pixels and ancillary features that many may seem to be missing just what an incredible imaging device this is. While it's not perfect and I have a personal list of niggles or minor disappointments, I am so far very very pleased.
I am not downplaying the importance of accurate marketing, I am simply just stating that there's a lot of hoopla over the net and youtube right now focusing on potential problems (fair enough!) and nitpicking specs and pixels and ancillary features that many may seem to be missing just what an incredible imaging device this is. While it's not perfect and I have a personal list of niggles or minor disappointments, I am so far very very pleased.