GH4 Panasonic GH5 coming in 2017

Still no word on the HDMI lag? This is the thing the GH4 was the worst at in my opinion, in particular at 4k 24p, and I was hoping it would be a priority for Panasonic.
 
Batutta said:
Still no word on the HDMI lag? This is the thing the GH4 was the worst at in my opinion, in particular at 4k 24p, and I was hoping it would be a priority for Panasonic.
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I thought Driftwood said is his chat that it was good. Not sure what that means and if it is greatly improved based on his perspective. Some people are not bothered by it so may not notice it as much. I also hope it is fixed along with manual white balance not working with 10bit output. Driftwood responded that manual white balance works but he didn't specific if that was with 8bit or 10bit output.

The camera is also on FW 0.43 so perhaps we should wait to find out an answer to that one.
 
Thomas Smet said:
I thought Driftwood said is his chat that it was good. Not sure what that means and if it is greatly improved based on his perspective. Some people are not bothered by it so may not notice it as much. I also hope it is fixed along with manual white balance not working with 10bit output. Driftwood responded that manual white balance works but he didn't specific if that was with 8bit or 10bit output.

The camera is also on FW 0.43 so perhaps we should wait to find out an answer to that one.
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I asked him in the chat and he said he hadn't checked it yet. Maybe he answered later. People who aren't bothered are probably not shooting 24p. In 24p it's atrocious. At 59.94 it's barely noticeable.
 
Batutta said:
I asked him in the chat and he said he hadn't checked it yet. Maybe he answered later. People who aren't bothered are probably not shooting 24p. In 24p it's atrocious. At 59.94 it's barely noticeable.
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I just read through the entire chat. Can't remember now where he said it. He may also been answering a different unrelated question. The chat was kind of all over the place.

I use 24p on a Blade and a friend uses 24p on the Flame and both of us don't consider it to be a deal breaker.
 
Thomas Smet said:
I thought Driftwood said is his chat that it was good. Not sure what that means and if it is greatly improved based on his perspective. Some people are not bothered by it so may not notice it as much. I also hope it is fixed along with manual white balance not working with 10bit output. Driftwood responded that manual white balance works but he didn't specific if that was with 8bit or 10bit output.

The camera is also on FW 0.43 so perhaps we should wait to find out an answer to that one.
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I would sincerely hope that the camera can do white balance at 10bit, given most people will be shooting in that format since it's recording internally. The external 10bit pipeline may have caused some issues on the GH4, but with the GH5 having 10bit internal I'd imagine it will be sorted before shipping, if it was an issue at all for pre-production firmware.

Cheers,

Paul :)
 
Things I find annoying from reading the PDF spec sheet brochure:

I thought 10-bit 4:2:2 in Full HD at ALL-I 200mbps was coming in the summer. Currently, there appears to be NO 10-bit 4:2:2 even in IPB or lower bitrate for any FHD 1080p resolutions? And of further concern, if 10b422 all I in FHD was announced for summer, there was no mention of 10b422 IPB for FHD at all? Huh?

It appears all 1080 modes are 8-bit 4:2:0?

Moreover, there is no information on what bitrate and codec the VFR modes work or would work up to. I guess it's irrelevant for FHD right now but I would have wanted to know the max VFR I could shoot at in HD while maintaining 10b 4:2:2

If this is actually the case, this is a deal breaker. I shoot almost everything in some element of VFR even if very subtle (and 30p or 48p conformed won't cut it) and if its not internal 10b422 to enable good use of vlog, then its a bust. Assuming all of that gets enabled in the summer than thats worth consideration, but it would mean cancelling my pre-order as who knows what else could happen in the 3-4 months after launch.

Someone please tell me I am reading this wrong or missing something.
 
Thomas Smet said:
I just read through the entire chat. Can't remember now where he said it. He may also been answering a different unrelated question. The chat was kind of all over the place.

I use 24p on a Blade and a friend uses 24p on the Flame and both of us don't consider it to be a deal breaker.
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It's not a deal breaker but it's pretty bad. And trying to monitor audio at the same time as the lips are out of sync or there's an echo from the ambient audio is annoying as hell. If the 24p lag is at least as good as it is at the 59.94 system frequency setting I'll be a lot happier.
 
Batutta said:
It's not a deal breaker but it's pretty bad. And trying to monitor audio at the same time as the lips are out of sync or there's an echo from the ambient audio is annoying as hell. If the 24p lag is at least as good as it is at the 59.94 system frequency setting I'll be a lot happier.
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I agree, it's definitely a challenge at 24P. When you add in the different delay monitoring audio, it makes my brain hurt during even a simple interview!
 
OldCorpse said:
If that's true, then for me the choice is easy. Pass. My #1 complaint - and a big, big one - was the very poor low-light performance of the GH4. I have a lot of money sunk into m4/3 lens and accessories, so I was waiting for the GH5 to see what it brings to the table as far as my #1 complaint, low light. Less than a stop improvement is really completely inadequate. This is where I get off the Panasonic train and head for Sony. All the other bells and whistles are great, but if it doesn't do squat for my key requirement, it's time to look elsewhere. It's been a fun ride, but you need what you need - to each their own, everyone has their own requirements, so everyone's choice is legitimate. For me, the GH5 has not delivered, but YMMV.
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Out of curiousity, which Sony are you looking at for better low light sensitivity? A7SII?
 
ozmorphasis said:
Don't care about 96khz, but 24 bit is pretty huge if the preamps sound decent and have a low enough noise floor. That would indeed go a long way toward bypassing external recorders. Having said that, I'm also still interested in the whether or not it can be extended off camera. Even with the cables tied off, the weight of xlr cables tugging on a hot shoe is definitely no bueno for daily professional use. That hot shoe will rip off for sure eventually. Could it be used on a cage, for example?
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I wouldn't doubt that within a few months, by summer perhaps, there will be GH5 cages that have built-in electrical circuits that connect the GH5 native hot shoe to a more robust hot shoe mount on the cage.

There might also be an third-party accessory that accomplishes the same goal but can be used with any cage.

I see a lot of small craft industry springing to life around this camera if it becomes as popular as the GH4 has been (and I think it will).
 
joe12south said:
Yay! SDXC cards don't split files every 4GB.
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There very may well be a file split, but not at 4GB! On the DVX200 they don't split the files until 48GB, and on the new UX180 and UX90 they've doubled that to 96GB before a file split. If I were to guess, I'd guess that the GH5 gets the 96GB limit (which, of course, means that you'd never have a split file on a 64GB card, and you could only ever get one split file on a 128GB card, and a maximum of two split files on a 256GB card).

Of course if you shoot AVCHD it will still split the files every 2GB, that's part of the AVCHD specification. But I doubt a lot of GH5 shooters will be using AVCHD (or does it even have it? I forgot to check).
 
Barry_Green said:
There very may well be a file split, but not at 4GB! On the DVX200 they don't split the files until 48GB, and on the new UX180 and UX90 they've doubled that to 96GB before a file split. If I were to guess, I'd guess that the GH5 gets the 96GB limit (which, of course, means that you'd never have a split file on a 64GB card, and you could only ever get one split file on a 128GB card, and a maximum of two split files on a 256GB card).

Of course if you shoot AVCHD it will still split the files every 2GB, that's part of the AVCHD specification. But I doubt a lot of GH5 shooters will be using AVCHD (or does it even have it? I forgot to check).
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Correct, it splits at 96GB, but that's a massive improvement.
 
Benjobe said:
Out of curiousity, which Sony are you looking at for better low light sensitivity? A7SII?
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Yes, the A7SII, unless Sony comes out with an AS7SIII by October. But I still want to check out the GH5 when it comes out. In general I like Panasonic way more than Sony - the Panasonic cameras have a level of QC and polish that is just not to be had in a Sony. What Sony does well is to put top specs into a camera as soon as the technology comes online, but then they rarely come out with something that's nicely thought out and usually it's pretty buggy (overheating etc.). Panasonic takes their time with specs, but they deliver a polished product. I really, really wish I could stay with Panasonic, not to mention how much money I already sunk into the format. Going Sony is going to be expensive and painful, but that low light situation with the GH series is just too big a flaw (but again, I'll check out the GH5 when it comes out).
 
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