GH4 Panasonic GH5 coming in 2017

A7SII and RII are really in a different weight class than GH4. Full frame, low light, etc.

However, making a JVC LS-300 type mounting and an s35 sensor isn't that difficult from the technical point of view. The catch is that Panasonic would have to deliver a cropped 4K image, which LS-300 does not. In fact, should GH5 have the 24 MPX sensor, it would have a 6K-into-4K video in s35 exactly like A6300 but then also offer various crops down to the MFT or even smaller.

Will they do that? Uh, no way. They've got lenses to sell too, you know.
 
Well they do offer Anamorphic shooting that is something they only do in this pricepoint and that is the reason why I would consider a GH5 if they improved the noise.
 
Polaroid22 said:
Well they do offer Anamorphic shooting that is something they only do in this pricepoint and that is the reason why I would consider a GH5 if they improved the noise.
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Absolutely.

How quickly we forget that the GH4 moved the industry forward on many fronts, including the above, something that nobody does. And I bet they'll do it again. As for me, Sony is out of the question because of the "look". Something about their color science implementation makes my skin crawl, and for all the geek talk about sensor size and low light capability, the thing that keeps me firmly in the Panasonic camp is the image that come out of this compact marvel. And a great choice of lenses doesn't hurt either.

Every time I pick up the camera I want to press the record button. Whether it's 4:3 aspect ratio with 2x anamorphics, or a travel cam paired with the excellent SLR Magic 10mm, or portraits with the 42.5mm Nocticron, the choices are endless.

Very much looking forward to the next iteration. And if by some chance it does disappoint, there's always the proliferation of external monitor/recorders and advances in single handed gimbals to extend the life of the GH4. Either way, the money will be well spent.
 
There is quite a lot of variance with peoples' opinions on the looks of these under $3,000 cameras. Personally I have always favored Panasonic cameras over others but I have also hardly liked the look of the majority of GH4 clips until V-Log showed up. Sony is making great strides with their color science but their cameras most definitely will trend towards a "video" look. But no doubt Sony is killing it on giving out features.

I think there is a lot of truth in the last few posts here which makes the world go 'round. I will be interested in seeing if Panasonic is serious and puts all of the input to good use or if they are going to hide behind "it's a still camera...".

To us it is very simple. Just put the good stuff in and we will buy it but it seems so much more complicated on their end. Also, remember that the Canon 5DMKIV will probably show up around the same time and in the end if Canon ever steps out of the box it is game over for many of these other choices imho. But odds are low on that front.
 
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There is quite a lot of variance with peoples' opinions on the looks of these under $3,000 cameras. Personally I have always favored Panasonic cameras over others but I have also hardly liked the look of the majority of GH4 clips until V-Log showed up. Sony is making great strides with their color science but their cameras most definitely will trend towards a "video" look. But no doubt Sony is killing it on giving out features.
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I like discussions on look because taste does seem to vary. I know so many people loved the look of the GH2, but I could never get with it, despite owning one. I find the GH4 color science much better. It's still an overall weakness of the Panasonic line, I think. Just shot a wedding with the GH4 and the Nikon D750. The D750 consistently produced nicer color and skintones out of the box. Canon / Nikon / Blackmagic have that on lock.
 
Let's not rush things. It's only April. There's a lot of 2016 to go. Plus, it is an FT5 rumor. It has to come true! It has to. My whole business plan is based on this rumor.

FT5 = 81-99% chance rumor is true
 
Actually, it makes sense for Panasonic to announce it at the IBC or Photokina in September and ship Q1/Q2 2017. I think that schedule was what happened with GH4 too.
 
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Actually, it makes sense for Panasonic to announce it at the IBC or Photokina in September and ship Q1/Q2 2017. I think that schedule was what happened with GH4 too.
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I don't know - GH4 is a good seller for Panasonic. Announcing the GH5 but not shipping it until so much later merely means you are losing GH4 sales and not gaining any GH5 sales because nobody wants to buy an "obsolete" GH4 (once the GH5 specs are announced) while the GH5 is simply not available for sale - so it's lose-lose. The only time you'd do such a long gap between announcement and shipping is if the GH4 were not selling well anyway, so you don't lose anything, but by announcing the GH5 you get people to wait and not buy another camera instead... I think that's what happened with the GH3, which was not a great seller and a kind of "meh" upgrade - the big jump was the GH4. personally don't see what the GH5 will bring to the table that will be a big jump over the GH4. I kinda feel the GH5 will be sort of like the GH3 - nothing to write home about. But maybe they'll surprise me. We'll see.
 
Maybe they are waiting on the organic sensor that they are developing with Fuji, that may be a huge jump in everything from pixels to DR to readout speed.
 
I would be very surprised if the GH5 wasn't a "wow" camera. Maybe not exactly everything everyone is looking for, but I don't think they will disappoint.
 
OldCorpse said:
I don't know - GH4 is a good seller for Panasonic. Announcing the GH5 but not shipping it until so much later merely means you are losing GH4 sales and not gaining any GH5 sales because nobody wants to buy an "obsolete" GH4 (once the GH5 specs are announced) ...
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There are still plenty of options and that is presuming that the final specs are released that far ahead of the anticipated shipment date. They could fidget on the GH5 price ("Under $5,000!" was the initial news on DVX200); they could discount GH4; they could offer a lens and/or media + GH4 package, etc.

In terms of lag time, many manufacturers take 3-6 months (and BMD takes ... uhm, slightly longer) anyway. By now, most consumers - Dennis Hingsberg excluded* - have learned not to buy sight unseen, even from the big boys.

* I am pretty sure Dennis doesn't read Panasonic threads.
 
The GH1 was announced April 2009.
1.5 year gap
The GH2 was announced in September 2010 at Photokina.
2 year gap
The GH3 was announced in September 2012.
1.5 year gap
The GH4 was announced in February 2014.
2+ year gap and growing...

Based on this pattern we should have seen a GH5 by NAB for sure but alas we have not. This is now the longest wait we have ever had for a GH camera. If we have to wait until September 2016 that will be over a 30 month gap. It should be pointed out that V-Log came out right around that 1.5 year gap so maybe that was a hold over from Panasonic.
 
I figure it's pretty much the same story with Panasonic as with other manufacturers. Their costs have come down in two years to such a low level that, even at the more affordable price point, GH4 is a major cash cow for them. So, they'll ride it a little longer. GH3 to GH4 was a monumental jump. GH4 to GH5 is unlikely to be such. Another stop/stop and a half, a slightly higher bit rate, an oversampled 4K, better auto focus - it would all be nice but no longer revolutionary. And, if they aim at ~ U$1,500, even that might not be enough against A6300.
 
DLD said:
I figure it's pretty much the same story with Panasonic as with other manufacturers. Their costs have come down in two years to such a low level that, even at the more affordable price point, GH4 is a major cash cow for them. So, they'll ride it a little longer. GH3 to GH4 was a monumental jump. GH4 to GH5 is unlikely to be such. Another stop/stop and a half, a slightly higher bit rate, an oversampled 4K, better auto focus - it would all be nice but no longer revolutionary. And, if they aim at ~ U$1,500, even that might not be enough against A6300.
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Maybe they are taking a different approach... Look at the Fuji X-Pro, the first model came out and they claimed it as their flagship camera for the line. Went a fairly long time until they had something really impressive to replace it. Under that condition, the GH5 is a ways off because you really need to make some big changes to make the larger leap. Another generation of SD cards would help wrangle the data rates needed for 4:2:2 internal at highest resolution and frame rate. Faster processor for faster readout, faster imager for faster readout. Maybe even go back to the variable size scan like on the GH2. But this might require another generation of silicon to get the better/faster everything.
 
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