Nikon D5

Yeah if this were the first DSLR to shoot 4K we'd all just being using the excuse that it's like shooting a film mag again. But they're late to the game.
 
Also, like the D500, the UHD on the D5 setting is cropped down to APSC format (1.5X) off of the full frame FX sensor. So we have a $6K+ cam that has a 3 min recording limit, can only do S35 in 4K and maxes out at 30P in 4K, yup DOA for sure. Nikon just doesn't get it. This is so heartbreaking of me because I have been a lifelong Nikon user but I am starting to think that both Nikon and Canon hate video users.
 
Why couldn't the GH5 have been announced instead...
I am sure it will be another iteration of stellar stills camera. But the crop, 3 minute limitation, no DCI 4K, and nothing over 60fps really doesn't make it a contender to the A7SII or the almost two year old GH4.
 
I cannot find where it says the D5 is limited to 3 minutes in 4K. Does it apply if using an external recorder as well? Is there a link?
Best wishes
 
So, my first thought was that this was a typical case of self-crippling.

My second thought was that it was a deal with the devil (whose name starts with "S" and ends with "Y")

My third thought was that there'll be a lot of attempts to hack both the recording limits and the bit rate upwards. And my subset of a third thought was Nikon might leave a backdoor to an easy hack and that D5a, a year from now, will do away with those limits anyway.
 
3 minute recording limit in 4K?! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, but that's just pathetic. I'm perfectly happy with my GH4, which can record almost 3 HOURS in a row on a 128GB card.

3 minutes... pshh...
 
I think is demonstrates the somewhat futile hopes of the convergence between the stills and video worlds. Yes, people have made it work over the years but in the end, us video people need dedicated video products for video needs. Nikon or Canon could make what we want in these still camera but time after time they do not.

The "no perfect camera" line gets worn out but it needs and addition of "at the perfect price". We all want big color space & bitrates but the camera companies just do not want to go there. I think they see the end of the road with 4k and sales and realize if they throw a monster out in the marketplace nobody will upgrade for 5 years+.
 
Why would anyone get excited about a $6000 dslr for video? You got the BM line, red Raven, canon c100/300 jvc and Sony all proper video cameras. Hey if you're a journalist great, you're in real estate perfect but why would you use it for anything else?
 
And who cares about the canon mark whatever now, they'll never allow the dslr predominantly for stills to out shoot their C line cameras. Those days are over as is the dslr revolution.
 
Bassman2003 said:
I think is demonstrates the somewhat futile hopes of the convergence between the stills and video worlds. Yes, people have made it work over the years but in the end, us video people need dedicated video products for video needs. Nikon or Canon could make what we want in these still camera but time after time they do not.
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Canon, as stated above, will protect their C-line. Nikon's got nothing above this and could have easily made a 24 MPX FF model, with a 17.6 MPX 4:2:2 10-bit 4K and 220 Mbps H.264 to QXD cards. I mean, they are basically 3/4th of the way there. The reason they didn't go all the way is a corporate non-competition agreement with Sony. In fact, this 3-minute 4K recording limit is the most blatant example of product crippling that I have ever seen. I hope people treat Nikon with the disdain they deserve.

As to the convergence of stills and video, it's already here with the sensors. It may never get here with the workflow. But this only implies that the same 3/4th of electronics will be shared and 1/4th will be slightly different.

* This 3/4th common design obviously excludes the $50,000 101 MPX monsters like Phase One or the ultra high end video cams like F65 and Alexa65.
 
If Nikon was going to really step up and make a larger play outside the stills world, I think they would have given us a clearer sign with the D5 and (surprising to see) D500. They are both very conservative incremental plays on the video front (the D5 is going to be a fantastic stills camera [AF performance will set a new standard, same for D500 in DX], and I think even for video will achieve most of what a typical photojournalist needs).

Definitely eager to see a teardown and find out whose chips and sensors are in these. Regardless, these releases just reinforce how stubborn and conservative Nikon is, and how the Keiretsu system is alive and well. If I were to bet it would be that Nikon is a part of Sony in 5 years (Minolta never had the brand power or market share of Nikon, and it's not like Nikon's engineers haven't created some great IP since the Minolta acquisition...). Sony is deadest on owning high-end stills and dominating in video period. Nikon is going to be the casualty in Sony's battle with Canon. Unless this bizarre Samsung rumor holds water. Not counting on it.

Nikon will probably release a FF mirrorless with better video abilities at the end of this year. Way too little, too late; won't stack up against the A7SIII or A8; or whatever more compelling hybrid camera Sony has to compete with it.
 
Marino215 said:
Why would anyone get excited about a $6000 dslr for video? You got the BM line, red Raven, canon c100/300 jvc and Sony all proper video cameras. Hey if you're a journalist great, you're in real estate perfect but why would you use it for anything else?
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one gets excited because individual frames (nef) from a 2008 nikon are better than an Alexa - the potential is there - then one is hit with reality and becomes unexcited fast :)
 
hojomo said:
... Definitely eager to see a teardown and find out whose chips and sensors are in these. Regardless, these releases just reinforce how stubborn and conservative Nikon is, and how the Keiretsu system is alive and well...
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In this instance, the cartelization by the Japanese photo-video companies mean that, for 12-18 months, a specific niche remains under a monopolistic power of one brand in order to allow it to recoup the initial investment faster. Which sort of means that a 4K DSLR pro market belongs to someone not named Nikon. With all the 1D X MKII rumors swirling around, Canon probably has the first dibs on this category. A99 was introduced in September of 2012 for $2,800, placing it into the 5D MK III rather than 1D X range. With Sony being allocated that portion of the market with A7RII and SII anyway, its replacement might be the next on the horizon, with 5D MKIV coming out in the fall.

And now let's all wait for the D5 hack.
 
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