Nikon D5

Wait a minute.......

Nikon bought Samsung's sensor technology. If Nikon could effectively bring back and/or improve upon the NX1 image generator while getting us the heck back to the Nikon lens mount. I will buy one to do 4K and high frame rates...maybe.
I'm not sure that at their typical $5,000-$6,000 price point they will be able to really woo any video camera customers...certainly not with new cameras from Sony, Blackmagic, and even RED floating around that price point.
Maybe...
I was planning on getting the NX1 for these reasons but the lens mount issue killed the deal for me.
I have A LOT of Nikon mount glass.

Interesting...
 
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My hunch is that D5 will be followed up with a 4K full frame mirrorless camera that will have more Samsung Inside than D5. As to this particular piece, a lot depends on codec, media, etc.
 
This looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels lada lada.

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Notice how the noise levels are different around the "D5" text.
Also note how it doesn't follow the body curvature or lighting.

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Here is an updated list of the rumored Nikon D5 specifications - the last time I was not sure about the number of autofocus points, I can now report that the D5 will have 153 autofocus points:

  • New 20MP FX sensor (not sure)
  • New focusing module with larger coverage and 153 autofocus points (confident)
  • Native high ISO of 102,400 (confident)
  • 15 fps (not sure)
  • Body design similar to the D4s (confident)
  • 4K video 60/30fps (not sure)
  • Full HD slow motion (not sure)
  • Announcement expected in early 2016 (confident)
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4K 60 fps ? I don't think so.
 
It doesn't really matter if it's photoshopped as we all KNOW that a D5 is coming. Hopefully Nikon goes exclusively with XQD in the D5.
 
ScepticMatt said:
This looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels lada lada.

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Notice how the noise levels are different around the "D5" text.
Also note how it doesn't follow the body curvature or lighting.

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What about the mic just above the D5, or the different button placement or the red swoosh? Looks legit to me.
 
morgan_moore said:
So you can add audio comments to your images when doing stills photography.

S
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I remember Nathan Lane on some talk show talking about a film he did with Andrei Konchalovsky. And Lane was shocked that, on some action sequence, Konchalovsky was giving loud directions just outside of the camera view. "You're surprised here. Look left. Something may be lurking behind here". Lane wasn't used to it but, in many lower budget regions, sound is done entirely in post. It's a much speedier process with no second takes of flubbed dialog with the crew on the set and you can record scratch audio off nearly anything.
 
DLD said:
I remember Nathan Lane on some talk show talking about a film he did with Andrei Konchalovsky. And Lane was shocked that, on some action sequence, Konchalovsky was giving loud directions just outside of the camera view. "You're surprised here. Look left. Something may be lurking behind here". Lane wasn't used to it but, in many lower budget regions, sound is done entirely in post. It's a much speedier process with no second takes of flubbed dialog with the crew on the set and you can record scratch audio off nearly anything.
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Oh, there's a lot, A LOT of precedential history here. It was done all the time in entire movie industries back in the day - for example Italy. Have you ever seen footage of Fellini directing? Fellini would be just off camera, but just, down there with the actors, sometimes inches away (if a closeup), with a non-stop running instructions and commentary, guiding them step by step, giving pointers and prompts and dialogue bits. Then of course, all sound would be recorded in post. Had its points - heck of a lot easier to shoot if you don't have to account for sound at all. The downside, of course, is that generally sound quality was inferior compared to U.S. productions... but it's more complicated than that - for example, ADR is scoffed at here in the States - for good reason, because actors don't sound very natural recording themselves to a picture; but - that is at least partially because it's done more rarely and so the actors have less practice; in contrast, when a whole film industry is built on ADR, they get pretty darn good at doing ADR and generally matching sound, much, much better than in the States. There is a side argument to be made about impact on acting - here in the U.S. we have an actor-centric view of the artistic domain that the actor controls most of their performance, and the director can only influence it so far. But there is a whole different view - the actor does the bidding of the director down to pretty much fulfilling the director's vision, in essence merely imitating what it is that the director wants - that was much bigger in Europe back in the day, although not unknown in the U.S... f.ex. the director Ernst Lubitsch was a very fine actor himself, and he'd often act out a scene fully himself, and then the actor would just imitate what Lubitsch just did! Today of course that flies in the face of all the accepted practice and an actor would likely murder you if you suggested s/he do something like that :)... but it had its points - some of those performances were outstanding, and it is not for no reason that the "auteur" theory of directing was originally European, with a lot more control by the director.

Boy, this has gotten on quite some tangent from the D5 :)...
 
I haven't seen Fellini's clip but, as you said, it was standard practice in many parts of the world. With the inferior sound reproduction of that era, it didn't have a huge impact on the viewer but having seen - and generally liked - the recently departed Eldar Ryazanov's films, I am appalled by the unnatural quality of his voice overdubs. Some of the ADR like the sounds of people's steps or doors opening/closings were done reasonably well but the actors spoke right into the microphone as if narating a documentary, rendering many a scene wholly superficial.

As to D5, neither Fellini nor Ryazanov will make any movies with it. That'd be my bet.

Edit: There are some rumors that the (second) official announcement will be made this week. Regardless, as pointed out by the Nikon Rumors dude, Nikon's booth at the CES is directly adjacent to Samsung's. A sheer coincident, I gather.
 
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Another argument for shooting silent and ADR'ing all the dialog was that in Europe especially, films were routinely dubbed into a dozen languages for release in different regions. If 90% of the audience was going to see the movie with dubious lip sync and different actors doing the voices anyway, there wasn't a big extra incentive to record quality dialog on-set just for the minority who would view it in the original language. It sure saves time and money to not worry about vocal delivery, room acoustics, traffic noises and boom shadows in every setup.

And with mixed international casts and crews, there may not even be one definition of what any film's "original" language was anyway. It may be better to replace lines than try to dig meaning and emotional nuance out of the heavily accented speech of an actor struggling with a language that is not their own.

- Greg
 
Greg Smith said:
Another argument for shooting silent and ADR'ing all the dialog was that in Europe especially, films were routinely dubbed into a dozen languages for release in different regions. If 90% of the audience was going to see the movie with dubious lip sync and different actors doing the voices anyway, there wasn't a big extra incentive to record quality dialog on-set just for the minority who would view it in the original language.

- Greg
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Hats off to anyone that can create a fake reflection in the LCD, fake menus, fake dipoter relocation and so on. We know the D5 is coming, looks real to me.d5.JPG
 
So, if it's 5568 across, then it'll be ~ 3130 down in 16.9 for a 17.4 MPX 4K or almost a full 4:2:2. That's presuming Nikon wants to go that way. There's no info on their 4K crop (if any), codec, connections out, etc. yet.

The res for stills is in 3:2, as shown above.
 
The real question is if nikon want to make nice video. (or are even allowed to given I think they are non compete with Sony)

With XQD cards a decent data rate would be possible.

Of course the (arri beating) holy grail would be 25 NEF files per second!

I think chip size et al is not too relevant.. they either want to do it or dont.

S
 
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