New CMOS Canon Pro-Sumer cam Rumors

That's going to be a huge step for Canon. I hope it releases in 2010, but I wouldn't count on it. The H1s is still fairly new.

New ground for Canon video:
  1. CMOS
  2. tapeless
  3. a new codec implementation (NLE compatability?)
  4. maybe SDXC storage?
  5. a progressive sensor
An APS-C sensor will allow for major DOF compared to a 1/3" sensor camera. That's going to be some lens implementation, and/or manual focus only.


It really needs to trump the EX-1/3 bigtime, or what's the point.
 
My guess is that there's enough people who A) hate CMOS and B) want tape (assuming that this would be AVCHD and presumably therefore using SD memory cards) to keep the H1 series going, at least in the short term. It would be similar, at least in theory, to the situation with Panasonic having the HPX300 and HPX500 co-existing...
 
Just a rumor. This doesn't make Canon a Bad Ass company it makes them a company. Bad Ass is leading the way like Panasonic always has. I can't applaud them for crippling the Rebel and 5d Mark II. They are just a company. Business first with them. Next 2 years will be filled with Prosumer cams with DSLR sensors. This same announcement could have been from any company.
 
Yes, I agree Panasonic's video division tends to be leaders and risk takers.
Even though this is just a rumor, it is true that the Japanese industrials are considering single chip APS or full frame camcorder solutions - they already have one in the high end Sony F35. Though they are far more conservative than a company like RED, they dominate the camera and video markets because they know what the customer wants. And with the excitement over RED's Scarlet and the prevalence of 35mm adapter use, these market trends must inform these industrial giants that we really want control over Depth of Field on top of great image quality.

Why are the Japanese so good at this while American giants flounder? Maybe that's just a rhetorical question.
 
dcloud said:
wouldnt that pretty much kill their xlh1 line?
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I think this would be a totally divergent line from the XH-A1 & the XL H1. Mainly due to:

  1. Cost
  2. DOF/lens/auto-focus issues
  3. storage
  4. Target market (?)
I still see another niche for a Canon A1 similar to the EX-1 with:

  1. lower price point
  2. attached zoom lens
  3. 1/2" native progressive full res sensor (with less DOF, easier focus, than an APS-C)
  4. tapeless, since tape only supports up to 1440X1080
When you start comparing the rumored camera to a mainstream camera that they still need to produce, it makes me wonder if it will happen.
 
Nik Manning said:
Just a rumor. This doesn't make Canon a Bad Ass company it makes them a company. Bad Ass is leading the way like Panasonic always has. I can't applaud them for crippling the Rebel and 5d Mark II. They are just a company. Business first with them. Next 2 years will be filled with Prosumer cams with DSLR sensors. This same announcement could have been from any company.
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Damned if they do, damned if they don't, eh?
 
Nik Manning said:
Next 2 years will be filled with Prosumer cams with DSLR sensors.
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That's just not going to happen.

Mainly because there is just a very small market for it. The people on these forums are part of a very small niche of techies.

And also because of the lens issues associated with developing an autofocusing and wide ranging focal length lens for these larger size sensors.
 
No type of date. Getting me all worked up for nothing :(.

For what I do, I don't care for CMOS chips although others seem to deal with the issues. Cmon Canon, release something to compete with the EX1!
 
After thinking all this thru, I'm not excited about this rumor for MY application (weddings). I'd much rather have something along the lines of a HMC150 from canon with comparable lowlight and I'd be happy. CCD of course.
 
Weather youve owned a Red or not, like Red or not - they certainly have contributed to the changing face of cameras.
 
Twas bound to happen. I predicted it and that RED would be facing a bad 2009. Both seem to have come to fruition. It's a natural evolutionary process. Lessons learned:
1) Telegraphing innovations that are in the pipeline too far ahead of release is like suicide
2) Established players always seem to get the upper hand, so sell to them before they kill you
3) The market for short-run high priced exotica is small and the risk of market evaporation is high if an unforseen (like a recession maybe) suddenly appears.
Survivors always capture both the entry level and connoisseur .
 
If the rumors are just now hitting then I'd say during NAB. If I remember correctly, the XLH1 was announced in New York a week or so before NAB three years ago.

Also, if this rumor is real then I'm pretty positive it got leaked directly by Canon. It was most likely a way of quelling frustration over the 5D and Rebel XTI and their lack of controls. Also, Canon wouldn't have leaked it if they weren't preparing an announcement soon. Remember, Canon did the same thing with H1 because of the furor over the HVX's debut. From what I heard the H1 was supposed to come out six months to a year later than planned. I suspect Canon is being forced to the table earlier than expected once again. Only this time it's because of their own photo products rather than a rival manufacturer. Again, if the rumor is true and it was leaked by Canon.

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Robert,

I don't remember exactly about NAB actually, but it certainly could just be four years not three years ago (when I placed my reservation on the RED ONE). The time runs fast. :laugh:

BTW, the first footage was released in September. These are the first news from Chris Hurd's website, as usual:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/canon-xl-h-series-hdv-camcorders/51052-today-day.html

September 2005. First hands-on by Kaku, succeeding Michael (Pappas), Barlow (Elton), bringing confusion to the Jarred's horde. Before HVX, now new RED lineup.

Moreover (IMHO), RED owner's reiteration now on the «no additional slip to the target schedule» (counteracting and reverting a recent slowing down -- 'cause economy etc) can have an easy explanation: 2009 4Q. New Canon's release. APS-C sensor size in a dedicated (under $8000) video camera. New (AF) lineup lenses, etc.

Granted the 'smoke', it can be beyond a vague guess. Do not forget where Jon Sagud (RED team nowadays) is coming from.
 
without a real zoom lens, this new camera won't be able to compete with your typical prosumer camcorder... which makes it a niche product.

maybe canon will come to their senses, and give us an option for some real video camera glass for this thing.
 
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