New CMOS Canon Pro-Sumer cam Rumors

I think red has made its point as well as served as a catalyst for the new wave of indi cameras that will soon be ushured in by the the giant more reputable companies like panasonic, canon, and sony at afraction of the cost that it would take to support and manage a full blown red.

Also keep in mind, the big companies have the mass production power. Once one of these bigger companies decides to pull the trigger on the technology they already have, say by by to red.

I believe if many of us could only get the resolution and image that comes from the canon 5d and mark II that would be enough for the mass majority of us.
 
I think Canon and RED could easily co-exist together (if Canon decides to pull the trigger).

RED's big calling card is REDCODE RAW and providing a full RAW 4K workflow. Plus PL mount glass. $20-40k with all the bells and whistles.

Canon's proposed Camera could easily offer something different. 35mm DOF on a large chip with a nice 1080p RGB workflow. $8-15k with all the bells and whistles.

Two completely different systems. Two completely different demos. For me, because I'm currently producing very low budget movies and enjoy camera ownership, the Canon could be my dream camera.
 
Robert Sanders said:
I think Canon and RED could easily co-exist together (if Canon decides to pull the trigger).
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If you want a taste of what Canon is going to do (hopefully) take a long and serious look at the sleeper and under-the-radar just released consumer HFS-100 and the HFS-10 (To be released on April 15th).

I just received a HFS-100 and I was blown away by the results. It has a 8.59MP CMOS which for video gets cropped to just over 6.0 MP. It records full raster 1920 x 1080 down sampled from the 6.0 MP image. It separates RGB by the use of a RGB Primary Color Filter. It has Canon’s brand new DIGIC DV III image processor. It records to SDHC memory cards at the ACVHD max of 24 Mbps. It has mic in, headphone out, HDMI out, cine-mode, 24P and 30P recording .

From Canon:

“The VIXIA HF S100 uses an RGB Primary Color Filter with Bayer Placement Pattern that separates light into red, green and blue color components. This results in vibrant images with deep, rich, accurate color and natural-looking tones similar to what you'd obtain from 3CCD camcorders. In addition, the Bayer Placement Pattern delivers sharp, high definition images with true-to-life color reproduction. As an added benefit, the CMOS sensor provides outstanding image capture in low light conditions.”

The results you may ask? I shot half day both outdoors and in. Imported via Final Cut Pro 6.05 into Proress 422. And, with astonishment, viewed the results via Blackmagic Designs Multibridge Pro HDMI out to a Samsung 52 inch HDTV.

Blows away the HVX-200 in many respects and especially in low light. I have one, so I can make that comparison.

Before any of you get your poison pen out, you better go look at the footage. Sure it’s a consumer cam, whatever that means these days, but look at the footage and remember that this quality is coming out of a camera with an MSRP of $1099.00.

Now imagine the HF S100/HF S10 on steroids in a much more appealing package that a professional can use. If Canon is smart, and I believe they are, they will introduce a camera that will be as revolutionary to film-making as the XL-1 was in the late 1990s.
 
Well personally I feel if Canon/Pana/Sony bought out a product with a decent codec(and thats big if) that was a direct competitor to Red, people would buy Canon/Pana/Sony.

And heres why. Around me I hear plenty of whining about Red. These arent my words. A rental company that got jack of Red, because they always had to keep one in shop as backup on every rental. People complaining about ongoing workflow issues. People afraid that theres no local support (Im in Australia). People disappointed in Reds release program, in so far as the early iterations weren't full functional.

As I said these arent my words, but I hear one of these from every person I speak to who has used Red or knows someone that did. Now weather its the current actual reality or not is a moot point, the world is based on perception.

And its exactly the same reason many would go with the larger company offering, as their general experience is, available support, more users, more product confidence, less workflow challenges. True or not again, its the reality. EDIT: Sorry I should say - Its the reality of peoples perceptions.
 
Noel, the exciting thing here, is that things are really happening. It is a fact that an affordable, S35mm sized sensor Video camera (with all its manual functions) is coming this year bellow 10k. Scarlet is the first announced. The 5d Mark II is the first FF35mm camera that shoots video that CAN be used for cinema shooting (according to a producer friend of mine, owner of a Post-house which handles DI for many Hong-Kong top directors, filmmaker Andrew Lau, Director of Infernal Affairs- Hong Kong version- is shooting a filmwith it), so the Pandora's box has really been opened. It will take time for Panasonic and Sony to restructure their business model for the new market, and probably its not from them that we'll see the biggest innovations in this field, but from Canon, Nikon, and even outsiders like Samsung, Sanyo and Casio, who, seeing how they innovate and compete in the still picture business and are constantly adding more and more complete video capabilities to their models, will lead the way in this new times. These "cinema" cameras will, of course, be for a very niche market, and will not compete with ENG, Event coverage, etc. markets... YET. :) These markets require fast workflows, do not require such DOF control as Cinema needs, fast lens performance and precise monitoring, no Cmos issues, etc.. maybe in 4 to 5 years we'll get there...
 
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SPZ yeah well youre right about that. And as youre a friend of Andrew Lau, let him know how much I enjoyed Infernal Affairs - much more than the "other" version.
 
Noel Evans said:
SPZ yeah well youre right about that. And as youre a friend of Andrew Lau, let him know how much I enjoyed Infernal Affairs - much more than the "other" version.
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No, you got it wrong!! I'm no friend to Andrew Lau. Read carefully my post- A producer friend of mine (owner of one of the biggest HK digital post production houses and responsible for some of Andrew Lau's DIntermediate film processing and post production) told me this. Would love to know Andrew personally. I agree, the Hong-Kong film was way better than the Scorcese one. Being a Scorcese fan, I feel terrible that such a remarkable filmmaker got awarded on a film he practically "ripped off", to the point of being, in certain scenes, shot by shot identical to Andrew's film.

He recently shot a film over here in Macau. A Romantic Comedy that's average,but its fantastically shot. Worth a look to see the cinematic potential of this place :)

EDIT- I'll rephrase the confusing sentence on the other post to avoid misunderstandings.
 
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Rough Cut said:
If you want a taste of what Canon is going to do (hopefully) take a long and serious look at the sleeper and under-the-radar just released consumer HFS-100 and the HFS-10 (To be released on April 15th).
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Very, very interesting. I completely dismissed the HFS-100 as something I would never use or buy because it doesn't address my immediate needs. But now that I've gone over and taken another look at it, I think you're right that this is part of a puzzle piece we're all trying to put together in order to figure out what Canon's truly up to.

A while back I had a gut feeling Canon might actually build my dream camera. Then I started to doubt that it would actually happen. And now I'm getting excited again.
 
Robert Sanders said:
Very, very interesting. I completely dismissed the HFS-100 as something I would never use or buy because it doesn't address my immediate needs. But now that I've gone over and taken another look at it, I think you're right that this is part of a puzzle piece we're all trying to put together in order to figure out what Canon's truly up to.

A while back I had a gut feeling Canon might actually build my dream camera. Then I started to doubt that it would actually happen. And now I'm getting excited again.
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check out the resolution test numbers on these new canon consumer camcorders, it's a real shocker... incredible bang for the buck.
 
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