Is Canon planning to release a competitor for the AF-100???

They will stay with DSLRs

They will stay with DSLRs

HHL said:
Canon has a history of "stalling" and being late to the game. With DSLRs they were "early". I'll bet they'll be late with an AF100 competitor. I'll bet the 5d replacement will be very interesting....but no competition for the AF100. I'll bet they set a new mark for (no pun intended) DSLRs though. Time will tell.
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I think they will stay with the DSLRs for a while. They will focus on making them better while keeping them affordable. The 7D and 5D were cash cows. At the end of the day they are out to make money. And there are more starving broke film makers in the world than successful rich ones. Anyway I am trying to pre order my AF-100 ASAP!!!!
 
Wrong Bet

Wrong Bet

Barry_Green said:
Any takers? Who wants to put their money on the line and say that Canon will deliver for retail sale, a large-sensor pro video camera in 2010, 2011, or 2012?
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Your Vegas background is showing :laugh:

This thread is ignoring that "Canon" is not a single entity. Canon Broadcast and Canon DSLR are two very different divisions. The real question is who had political power (i.e. to stop one from taking perceived sales from another).

That's the real bet. Sure, Canon Broadcast is slow on the video market front in my view as my last Canon video cam was an XL1 which I sold for DVX #6).

But Canon DSLR is whole other business, larger dollarwise and arguably appears to overrule Canon Broadcast.

I would not be shocked if they don't continue to lead and revolutionize the market. I actually prefer Nikon glass and cameras but ended up with Canon film and digital SLR's due to better feature sets at price points.

High end video on DSLR (and yes, I'm talking 2k, 4k) is a powerful way to out-feature Nikon/Sony. My $20 is on that driving DSLR video, not slow Canon Broadcast.

Given Hollywoods interest and love affair with 5D/7D and the marketing wins of Canon DSLR video, I suspect major new features in DSLR video are coming sooner, not later. Canon Broadcast, especially based on the last camera updates, is focused on ENG/Event/Gov market - shooters that are not dying for DSLR cameras and their short DOF.
 
David G. Smith said:
Arriflex is a known player and has an established reputation for excellence with a 93 year old track record. They have established relationships with almost every major camera rental house in the world and from all the reports I am seeing, the Alexa rocks.
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That is what they said about Final Cut Pro. Avid was the king of the block. But now you are seeing FCP mentioned in alot of credits these days. Times change and the Epic just like the RED One I believe will be huge if they ever come out..
 
LuckyStudio 13 said:
When Canon puts the 5D sensor into their XL-H1, it will be a Beast.
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True, but how much will Canon charge for something like that? I'd wager they'll charge about $8000 to $9000? The AF100 is gonna cost $4995 (list), with a more adaptable lens mount. For a lot of us, I don't think I'm stretching when I say that Canon has missed the boat here.

Unless Full Frame is absolutely essential, a camera like that is most likely going to be more of the same but nearly double the price.
 
Joe Walker said:
When was the last Final Cut update again?
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Well, there is that, but, I was more responding to the idea that the Red Epic will be the HIGH END camera of choice. I dispute that. With rethinking, I do see that camera being popular, but as a high end choice, I think the Alexa will be the one.
 
GRENCH said:
That is what they said about Final Cut Pro. Avid was the king of the block. But now you are seeing FCP mentioned in alot of credits these days. Times change and the Epic just like the RED One I believe will be huge if they ever come out..
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That's because in many ways final cut is both better than Avid and easier to work with, much like how the Alexa is better than Red and infinitely easier to work with.
 
I agree, I think Alexa will be the choice of those for rental, while Epic will be the owner/operator camera of choice, kind of like the new varicam if you will.
 
I wouldn't disregard the 1Ds Mk IV 4K or Raw video rumor. why? Remember Maxim's epic photoshoot? Exactly. The true studio photography revolution will come from the capability of extracting the best frame from a sequEnce of frames. Canon should be aware of this, and Red definitely was when they introduced the dsmc concept.
 
Canon should go for a "transformer-package". Something like a 5DMK3 with moire/anti-aliasing filter, 2 cpu's (output cpu) and with docking contacts to transform it in to a real videocam. Take it out to use it like a photocam and put it in to be a videocam with all the buttons and switches and controles. Ofcourse the "photocam" is in the front of the docking-unit to attach the lens etc. I can visualize it, can you?
 
[h=2]Press Release From Canon Website.

Canon Hollywood Professional Technology And Support Center Premieres In Los Angeles[/h]Location to Serve as Western Hub for Education, Service & Training Operations

LAKE SUCCESS, N.Y., October 12, 2011 – Canon U.S.A., Inc., a leader in digital imaging, today announced the opening of the Canon Hollywood Professional Technology and Support Center to better serve its film and television production clients. The office, located on the historic Sunset Gower Studio lot at 6060 Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles, will provide a local site to foster support, research, service and training for Hollywood's thriving entertainment industry.
"We want to offer a one-stop shop where our clients can come to ask questions and explore our various products with the help of our highly qualified technical and engineering staff members. The Canon Hollywood Professional Technology and Support Center provides a well-equipped venue for working with professionals in a range of imaging industries, from film and television production to still imaging and professional output," stated Yuichi Ishizuka, executive vice president and general manager, Imaging Technologies and Communications Group, Canon U.S.A.
Comprehensive product repair services for Canon professional products will be available in the new Hollywood facility starting in late 2011. On-site repair operations will include two state-of-the-art camera body and lens adjustment rooms, Canon's most advanced adjustment and calibration equipment, local spare parts inventory, and an experienced professional repair staff that will look to quickly return Canon's professional products to their original factory condition and operation.
The Canon Hollywood Professional Technology and Support Center will also serve as a field extension of Canon's Research and Solution Engineering Department, dedicated to ensuring that current and future products meet or exceed the demands of our clientele. As a local research and development center, staff will assess market demands and expectations for new professional imaging technology and look to build them into future product generations and customer support provisions. This represents only one of many initiatives and investments that Canon has planned to solidify its commitment to the film and television production community.
The facility will also support business opportunities by offering 1:1 meetings with major clients (studios, production houses, television networks, rental facilities, and others) to further build relationships and assess their needs. The new facility and local Canon staff will also offer hands-on education to current and potential clients on the latest Canon professional products. Courtesy visits by both existing and potential clients in the industry can be arranged to explore opportunities and assess Canon's full capabilities. Guilds, unions or organizations affiliated with film and television production are encouraged to inquire about hosting seminars, events and industry gatherings at Canon's Hollywood center as well.
The Canon Hollywood Professional Technology and Support Center will also host Canon Live Learning (CLL) workshops - fee-based seminars for professionals and enthusiasts looking to further their imaging education. In addition, the Hollywood center will offer other industry-related events covering a wide range of technical and creative topics within the professional production segment.
In addition to the business and Hollywood industry support mentioned above, the service and support facility located in the Canon's new Hollywood center will also be part of Canon's industry-leading nationwide customer service and support network. Canon's customer service and support network includes Factory Service Centers in Irvine (Calif.), Jamesburg (N.J.) and Newport News (Va.) as well as five broadcast lens service centers located strategically throughout the United States. Canon service centers' reputation for excellence is based on industry-leading repair turnaround times, high-quality repair services, personalized service and 100 percent US-based call center support operations, all based on Canon factory standards and processes and designed to provide complete customer satisfaction.

I'm sure Canon is going in big. This should get really interesting........
 
I've already had a client (ad agency) ask if I will be shooting their next project with the new Canon camera that's "Being Announced"… Since we are shooting next week I replied NO, but I think it's amazing how much hype the interwebs breed even amongst non-camera types.

I'm facing the same decisions from just over a year ago when the AF100 came out - if Canon do put out a 'pro' cam I'll have to judge it against buying the Sony F3 for work through 2012.

Remember when cameras never changed, and maybe (just maybe) Kodak reformulated one of their film stocks?
 
The situation is getting to be nutszoid with the release/ update time frames of pro cameras these days. What happened to having a camera platform that is good for more than 10-12 months?

The update cycle is pretty short in the digital stills camera world which i dont really care about, but the same kind of update cycles moving into the motion camera world is getting to be pretty nauseating.
 
There is certainly no incentive for the Camera manufacturers to slow down the product introduction cycle. Things are reaching a point where its almost impossible to reach any level of proficiency or even learn the feature set before something becomes obsolete . . .and of course there is more pressure than ever to have the latest gear because everyone (absolutely everyone) is sucking up the internet-spew-fest.

. . .all of this becomes a potent argument for renting instead of owning, if you live somewhere that you have that option.
 
Renting only makes sense if you cant pay off the gear after using it a few times. Even the F3 at what 13K is a bargain for what it does. Bring it! I love this stuff! These tools are going to make us some super sweet productions. The AF-100 alone changed the way I think about shooting like no other camera I ever used. I Look forward with excitement, because remember your camera wont stop working when the new one comes out and the look wont be that dramatic of a difference. The shallow depth thing is a look everyone can have now. To me thats the biggest step forward from 3 chip cams. Competition is good, and we are seeing lots of it now. If only lens manufactures where getting in the game faster. Thats what we ALL want.
 
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