If Nikon fails...

squig said:
Full frame has an advantage at the wide end where you can have a shallower DOF but you need a lot of light at the tele end or too shallow dof.
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actually the dof doesn't change when you go more telephoto, given that you move back to get the same fov. this is a very common myth. you can use this technique to throw the background more out of focus, since space is more compressed, but what's actually in focus is exactly as much so it's not harder to pull focus on tele than wide at all. except for the fact that people are more likely to shoot closeups on tele of course, since the closer you go the shallower the dof regardless.

/matt
 
capice said:
The only german one i know is "novoflex", but they´re extremely expensive:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/197094-REG/Novoflex_EOS_NIK_Lens_Adapter_Nikon_to.html
Let us know your verdict on the kawa one...
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I just ordered one and an M42. I have 2 off ebay of the same design, I just did a bit of manhandling on them and one is now fitting pretty well the other is as loose as a william st pro. They all seem to have about a mm of play due to the pin connection hole being slightly too big so I'll try some gaffa to get a firmer fit.

I know somebody who has the novaflex and he has a $20 cheapie that he said was better.
 
Today i´ve made some 30p to 24p conversion with different programs. Its really a pain in the ass. Either it´s choppy (dropped frames) or there is a lot of ghosting (interpolation-pixel motion) and the latter is pretty time consuming. I hope canon is gonna bring out something with 24p ;-)
 
Maybe in 8 days time if we're really lucky, a cheaper 24p 1.6x crop canon would be fantastic. I'm not looking forward to doing a 24p conversion on a feature.
 
Zim said:
don't worry I'm not bashing anyone.
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Ok, that´s put my mind at rest. - I think a very important point on the whole discussion is that you didn´t use a D90 for about 10 months like many others here => you didn´t have all that struggle with a weak codec, stair stepping, workarounds for getting no waves, flickering, noise, time consuming post works.... etc. I bet if you had one your opinion would differ quite a bit...
 
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I almost feel like crying!! I didn't know you had such a stuggle

My opinion is I like Nikon cameras for still photography. I've seen some really good video from the D90 but it is a pain in the ass. I've seen video from the D300s. Looks really good. It will probably be improved from the D90. It is not out yet so I will have to wait for camera testers like you to let me know if I should save my money.

My advice to you is, don't rush out and buy something when it first comes out. Cameras, software, iPhones, etc,etc. Let the bugs get worked out first. That way you will not have to struggle so much!!


capice said:
Ok, that´s put my mind at rest. - I think a very important point on the whole discussion is that you didn´t use a D90 for about 10 months like many others here => you didn´t have all that struggle with a weak codec, stair stepping, workarounds for getting no waves, flickering, noise, time consuming post works.... etc. I bet if you had one your opinion would differ quite a bit...
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I don't think Nikon is failing. What I'm seeing is the development of a high breed camera in stages. Canon and Nikon are developing in public and Red(Scarlet) is developing in private. Nikon and Canon have a number of markets that can use the movie function and in different stages so they release what they have and make a percentage of user happy, not the filmmakers but most none filmmakers. The Scarlet is a filmmaker camera releasing it half developed would be tragic because it doesn't have any one other than filmmakers interested in it. Even Red stopped working overtime (rush to market) with Scarlet so when its ready we will see it.

I will say this that my D90 is the nearest thing to shooting with an MOS Arriflex 16. The D90, D5000 are great cameras to work on cinematic technic and they should not be compared to a video camera. Even though they don't have manual control they are a lot like my old point and shoot super8. The image is another thing and has been talked about in great depth and at "minimum" is good enough for the web.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they have improved on the D300s when they final come in at my local camera store.
 
Well said and good points

hepabst said:
I don't think Nikon is failing. What I'm seeing is the development of a high breed camera in stages. Canon and Nikon are developing in public and Red(Scarlet) is developing in private. Nikon and Canon have a number of markets that can use the movie function and in different stages so they release what they have and make a percentage of user happy, not the filmmakers but most none filmmakers. The Scarlet is a filmmaker camera releasing it half developed would be tragic because it doesn't have any one other than filmmakers interested in it. Even Red stopped working overtime (rush to market) with Scarlet so when its ready we will see it.

I will say this that my D90 is the nearest thing to shooting with an MOS Arriflex 16. The D90, D5000 are great cameras to work on cinematic technic and they should not be compared to a video camera. Even though they don't have manual control they are a lot like my old point and shoot super8. The image is another thing and has been talked about in great depth and at "minimum" is good enough for the web.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they have improved on the D300s when they final come in at my local camera store.
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we had to suffer with the D90 but it was a good learning experience and it did produce some nice stuff which I'm still yet to cut.

Canon rumors have just posted a rumor about an imminent firmware update for the MKII, maybe we won't have to mess with 24p conversions after all. It makes sense if the 60D has 24p then the MKII should get it's update at the same time so we don't flog our MKII's on ebay and get the 60D.
 
I think that's the point though - at some point Canon wants you to put your Mk2 on ebay and buy the XXD or XD so they can make even more money. So the updates have to stop at some point, possibly now with the 60D release.

Compressing their cameras to a 1 year life cycle spurs consumers to buy, buy, buy.

As an aside, for those who can wait, Canon's bound to come out with a multi frame rate DSLR or APS video camera (2010?). It would be pretty ridiculous for them to release a 1/3" videocamera at this point, now that they know where all the interest is.


squig said:
It makes sense if the 60D has 24p then the MKII should get it's update at the same time so we don't flog our MKII's on ebay and get the 60D.
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The pain many of the people here have suffered with the D90 has meant better D90 results for everyone who follows this forum.

What does it really matter whether Canon has a new firmware update? What does it matter whether Nikon or Canon or anyone else releases an improved movie mode? How many cameras do you want to buy, and how many technological generations do you want to wait? The fact is, many of us were thinking that the dslr movie mode the D90 introduced would offer fully professional motion picture imaging (ie Hollywood), and that's the real problem. Because, even though it's a leap ahead of most every camcorder, it doesn't (nb "Gigli" was "fully professional", and that sucked b***s. And another point, Hollywood doesn't shoot $120 million films on a Red One). Without a professional crew and a sizable budget, and no clue as to what you want to achieve, you could shoot with a Panavision film camera and it'd look like s**t. Actually, it'd look like s**t anyway without a crew. But you give the D90 and a technical cheat-sheet to a Mike Leigh or David Lynch or Michael Mann - on their own, with no crew - and the LAST thing you'll be wondering is "what was that shot on?"

Go check out junkstorecameras.com to see what one person does with (admittedly still) cameras she picks up at junk sales, remainder bins in toy stores, and garages sales. Some of these cameras are 100 years old, some are made from cardboard, some are pink with Barbies on them (which she likes), and some shouldn't work at all. There's not a whole lot of "manual" manipulation you can do with a pin-hole camera - but on the other hand, there's nothing BUT manual manipulation, if you think about it. and that's the point. Wow.

We've got DOF, a big, brilliant sensor, and fifty years of lenses of every variety. We don't have Barbies, but in this class of cameras, Nikon optics are tops, and that's where the light comes in.
 
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