If Nikon fails...
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. I still have some doubts...Nikonslave
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only a few days from now and we will know.
I m so afraid for Nikon.
They have to make this happen... or else...
I m so afraid for Nikon.
They have to make this happen... or else...
slimjimmed
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LOL. It isn't life or death if Nikon doesn't have a solid upgrade in a few days. They can come out with one in January and it would sell like hotcakes.
Patience.
Patience.
Uwe Lansing
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Nooo... patience is not really one of my strong points. I want it now.
Regardless what Nikon releases, look at what we have:
A 720p digital movie camera with interchangable Nikon lenses and, due to the hard work and generosity of the people on this site, an almost manual movie camera.
Who wants to advertise that they can use Nikon lenses? RED, for one.
Who wants depth of field? Everyone. Who can get depth of field out of a US$1000 camcorder (or 2 or 3)? No one. Who wants overexposure on everything lighter than off-white? No one. What do US$1000 camcorders give you? Does the D90 have quality audio? No. But if you're serious, audio should always be separate, except in very rare, specific instances. Are the optics on a Panasonic prosumer camcorder as good as the D90? No. Canon? No. Is the D90 cheaper than the Canon 5D mk II? Yes. Considerably. Add a modest rig from Redrock, and you could buy the Canon body-only.
The camera David Lynch used to make Inland Empire, the PD150, is inferior to the D90-with-a-rig and ext. audio.
What the D90 is capable of, especially with the amazing generosity of the people who came up with the work-arounds found on this site, is enough. The camera can never do it all for us. Choices had to be made to accomodate the Arriflex 35, because it couldn't do everything (though it was pretty close). For those who are starting out experimenting with motion images, making short films, etc.: the D90 does enough and has enough advantages that it will allow a vision to be realised with a good, solid image. And it's CHEAP!
A 720p digital movie camera with interchangable Nikon lenses and, due to the hard work and generosity of the people on this site, an almost manual movie camera.
Who wants to advertise that they can use Nikon lenses? RED, for one.
Who wants depth of field? Everyone. Who can get depth of field out of a US$1000 camcorder (or 2 or 3)? No one. Who wants overexposure on everything lighter than off-white? No one. What do US$1000 camcorders give you? Does the D90 have quality audio? No. But if you're serious, audio should always be separate, except in very rare, specific instances. Are the optics on a Panasonic prosumer camcorder as good as the D90? No. Canon? No. Is the D90 cheaper than the Canon 5D mk II? Yes. Considerably. Add a modest rig from Redrock, and you could buy the Canon body-only.
The camera David Lynch used to make Inland Empire, the PD150, is inferior to the D90-with-a-rig and ext. audio.
What the D90 is capable of, especially with the amazing generosity of the people who came up with the work-arounds found on this site, is enough. The camera can never do it all for us. Choices had to be made to accomodate the Arriflex 35, because it couldn't do everything (though it was pretty close). For those who are starting out experimenting with motion images, making short films, etc.: the D90 does enough and has enough advantages that it will allow a vision to be realised with a good, solid image. And it's CHEAP!
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Very nicely said, and welcome to the forums. While I do agree with you, there is still the fact that Nikon has yet to release manual controls while it's main competition did. The more DSLR like cameras that have video abilities with manual controls the more that we D90 owners crave them. These work arounds while do work, can take time. All I am asking for is manual controls. And since Nikon seems to be promoting the movie feature as one of the D90's main features, I don't think manual controls is irrational to ask for.
With that said and vented, yeah...
<I get the feeling Nikon is going to drip drop this video tech to us though>
Based on the rumors I've seen, if a d300s is introduced that offers full manual control, 1080p at 24/25 (wouldn't 48/50 be nice?), usable audio support and a gr8 codec (MOV h.264 just might be the one), I'd be thrilled to trade up from my d90.
I must admit I feel a little like the buzzard sitting next to his bud buzzard who tells him to be patient..."something will die sooner or later." I'm thinking: "Patience my tail feathers! I'm going to kill something!"
I must admit I feel a little like the buzzard sitting next to his bud buzzard who tells him to be patient..."something will die sooner or later." I'm thinking: "Patience my tail feathers! I'm going to kill something!"
Zim
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Uwe Lansing
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Exactly, the 5DII is the benchmark - but not in terms of fps. So manual control, better codec/higher bitrate + 1080p/24 i expect at least from an upcoming d300s.
D90 = 8mm? The Zapruder film was 8mm. That got the world's attention.
My point was only that for starter-outers who are agonising over what to buy,
the D90 is a great start. It gives them a good image (and a great still image which is essential for any kind of promotion of their work) and, due to the necessary work-arounds, it will give them good training in the variables of digital imaging. Not Hollywood digital, but cheap and good. And that they'll be trying to fight auto all the way is a great thing. But you need a rig - which you could probably even make. It's almost like going back to the days of 16mm when so much - apart from the 16mm camera - could be made out of a garage. Rigs of all descriptions, choice of flim stock, etc, including tape to keep the lens on at times! The camcorder (in a sense) instituted an all-in-one scenario of sound and vision, like the contemporary car - you can't service it yourself. It's exciting, I'm saying - we might be in control once again.
But yeah, firmware fixes would be great. Someone out there in the www, though, could probably write that firmware. Not that I said that.
squig said all of it in post #78:
---"At this point I think which camera you choose is less important than knowing how to use it and what it is capable of. They all have flaws, this is bleeding edge stuff we are playing with here but they are all capable of making films."---
Thank you for the welcome for this newbie. This is a terrific site.
My point was only that for starter-outers who are agonising over what to buy,
the D90 is a great start. It gives them a good image (and a great still image which is essential for any kind of promotion of their work) and, due to the necessary work-arounds, it will give them good training in the variables of digital imaging. Not Hollywood digital, but cheap and good. And that they'll be trying to fight auto all the way is a great thing. But you need a rig - which you could probably even make. It's almost like going back to the days of 16mm when so much - apart from the 16mm camera - could be made out of a garage. Rigs of all descriptions, choice of flim stock, etc, including tape to keep the lens on at times! The camcorder (in a sense) instituted an all-in-one scenario of sound and vision, like the contemporary car - you can't service it yourself. It's exciting, I'm saying - we might be in control once again.
But yeah, firmware fixes would be great. Someone out there in the www, though, could probably write that firmware. Not that I said that.
squig said all of it in post #78:
---"At this point I think which camera you choose is less important than knowing how to use it and what it is capable of. They all have flaws, this is bleeding edge stuff we are playing with here but they are all capable of making films."---
Thank you for the welcome for this newbie. This is a terrific site.
manglerBMX
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i bought into the d90 from the get go. the mkii had just come out and was a bit above what i wanted to spend. the less than $1k price tag of the d90 was nice. but i was hoping nikon would pony up and provide some sort of firmware update to control the dmovie mode. when canon stepped up, nikon failed. and nikon continues to fail. every day they don't give us manual control is another day i look harder at the mkii. even if these new nikon models that were "leaked" do come out, if they don't have manual control why bother?
and seeing that people have created firmware for the mkii and not the d90 shows us, and nikon that the masses are going towards the mkii. well, at least the masses of the smart people.
and seeing that people have created firmware for the mkii and not the d90 shows us, and nikon that the masses are going towards the mkii. well, at least the masses of the smart people.
simonclivehughes
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I have to take exception to this statement. I don't have a D90 (I've got D300s), but I've also got G1s and a GH1 and I get some very, very good quality images from these cameras, even with the kit lenses. I find that I'll use the G1s for 90% of my shooting over the D300s due to the weight and the articulated LCD. The RAW files have a tremendous amount of latitude. Plus, you can use so much other glass on the bodies.
I have plenty of examples on my website for those curious about the IQ quality.
Cheers,