Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
I've seen no indications in regards to this...have you?
HVX 200A Brochure
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I've seen no indications in regards to this...have you?
dude look at the broshure that is posted on this thread, now I know its real because as I am reading it acrobat reader said it needed some japanise characters inserted or something like that plus I dont think anyone would go through the trouble of doing a fake broshure like this and the long hours it takes, this is complete BS I dont like sony never have but now its either the new sony cam or the hpx500, dont get me wrong I love my hvx but we need to get better and faster if you know what I mean, we are all looking for a better image and you know what you want in a camera and sony it looks like sony really listened to what we wanted in a cam
Robin Leveille
Member
If this is really it, Im pretty disappointed.......Ah Well.... on to the RED Booth!!!
Andrew McCarrick
Carbonite Member
Well I wouldn't jump to sony yet.... I'd like some more info. on this AG-HPX170. Seems to be what people wanted in the HVX200a but its a completely different camera.
poweredbyjolt
Member
let down! 
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
"Dude"
I never asked if Sony were coming out with a new camera, I KNOW they are in the EX-3.
My main question was whether or not they had gone from a ROLLING SHUTTER toa GLOBAL SHUTTER.
Guess I'll find out tomorrow at the Sony booth.
Don't call me dude.
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lawriejaffa
Veteran
Yeah interesting, however I would like to hear more confirmation about the hvx200a, and this hpx170 - but yep, the EX despite being as reliable (it would seem as a LADA automobile) does have some headline grabbing features...
Thing is though for me the hvx was already better than the ex (at least in my eyes) - but to buy a new hvx it would need a little more i think - but then im just speaking from a wee brochure! Until there is a detailed review of the hvx200a and its improvements theres yet more to learn.
Likewise the HPX500 may come into play given its price reductions too but hmm interesting!
Thing is though for me the hvx was already better than the ex (at least in my eyes) - but to buy a new hvx it would need a little more i think - but then im just speaking from a wee brochure! Until there is a detailed review of the hvx200a and its improvements theres yet more to learn.
Likewise the HPX500 may come into play given its price reductions too but hmm interesting!
LuckyStudio 13
The Tapeless One
Matt,
I am pretty sure Sony is still using the same sensor as the EX1 on the EX3. CMOS global shutter issue will still be on the EX3. I am speculating here, but I think even the Red Scarlet (if its a video cam) will be using the same mysterium Rolling shutter cmos shutter.
I am pretty sure Sony is still using the same sensor as the EX1 on the EX3. CMOS global shutter issue will still be on the EX3. I am speculating here, but I think even the Red Scarlet (if its a video cam) will be using the same mysterium Rolling shutter cmos shutter.
If this correct, the failure to address the LCD and the firewire port and placement is truly unfortunate.
sorry dude, thought you were talking about the sony cam, but anyway
if what we see here is true then this is a major let down because ok now what? I was hoping for some better upgrades to the hvx200 now I understand that you can only upgrade so much before panasonic says ok why am I going to put all these features on the hvx when we have them on the hpx500 for almost half more the price, its just not goingt to happen so I dont know what to say I am in limbo right now I had a lot of plans for the new hvx now I have to adjust but hey "you have to account for variable change"
roll with the punches!!
or better said " roll with the rolling shutter
if what we see here is true then this is a major let down because ok now what? I was hoping for some better upgrades to the hvx200 now I understand that you can only upgrade so much before panasonic says ok why am I going to put all these features on the hvx when we have them on the hpx500 for almost half more the price, its just not goingt to happen so I dont know what to say I am in limbo right now I had a lot of plans for the new hvx now I have to adjust but hey "you have to account for variable change"
roll with the punches!!
or better said " roll with the rolling shutter
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
sorry dude, thought you were talking about the sony cam, but anyway
if what we see here is true then this is a major let down because ok now what? I was hoping for some better upgrades to the hvx200 now I understand that you can only upgrade so much before panasonic says ok why am I going to put all these features on the hvx when we have them on the hpx500 for almost half more the price, its just not goingt to happen so I dont know what to say I am in limbo right now I had a lot of plans for the new hvx now I have to adjust but hey "you have to account for variable change"
roll with the punches!!
or better said " roll with the rolling shutter
No problem man, we're ALL on "pins and needles" waiting for tomorrow.
Cheers.
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
Thats what I thought...
LuckyStudio 13
The Tapeless One
I dont really know whts the advantages of CMOS sensor ? Seems like majority of video cam makers and also SLR cam makers are abandoning CCD and going to CMOS ??
Is it cheaper to produce high def CMOS sensor ?
Is it cheaper to produce high def CMOS sensor ?
Justyn
Veteran
maybe, but I can truly attest to the horrible nature of CMOS. I'm selling mine and wouldn't think about buying another one. Having to avoid all vibrations, abrupt movements, fast pans and all that seems like coddling to me. A camera should be a liberating thing, and the HVX was that. CMOS just sucks if you are in extreme conditions.
I too say that this news, if it's true is somewhat exciting on the little camera front.. that's very much needed for me, but kind of a let down on the HVXa. I would have totally thought that LCD, which is universally HATED, would have been fixed and to possibly give us another sweet cool feature. Maybe 120fps, or that new mts. codec or whatever.
That said though, I'd still probably rather buy an updated HVX than an EX whatever. Having better low-light, wide and longer lens, seems kind of cool and good upgrades in themselves. We'll see what comes out in the wash and we'll have a clear picture on what we'll be buying.
I'm about to go pick up the SD-9 which maybe I'll be returning if something else suits my needs. I can honestly say that having to deal with the CMOS has been such a PITA.... never again and it's too bad.
I too say that this news, if it's true is somewhat exciting on the little camera front.. that's very much needed for me, but kind of a let down on the HVXa. I would have totally thought that LCD, which is universally HATED, would have been fixed and to possibly give us another sweet cool feature. Maybe 120fps, or that new mts. codec or whatever.
That said though, I'd still probably rather buy an updated HVX than an EX whatever. Having better low-light, wide and longer lens, seems kind of cool and good upgrades in themselves. We'll see what comes out in the wash and we'll have a clear picture on what we'll be buying.
I'm about to go pick up the SD-9 which maybe I'll be returning if something else suits my needs. I can honestly say that having to deal with the CMOS has been such a PITA.... never again and it's too bad.
arrestthisman
Well-known member
I'm going to be honest. I feel a little skeptical about the brochure. That said, let's assume it's 100% accurate for the sake of discussion.
With no upgrade in resolution (at least from what it says), it will probably not inspire upgraders. But it also doesn't p**s off existing customers who may have just bought an HVX. Not a great silver lining, but I'm sure it's a thought that's occurred in the minds of those @ Panasonic.
To be honest, I think the HVX has a very distinct "look." And panny does not want to risk losing it by a drastic change in the imagers. Fixing low light, and grain is one thing, but once you swap out for even 1/2" chips, it's going to look very different. Better, maybe, but different.
I for one, am not that surprised, and even if this turns out to be fake, I think the real upgrade will be minuscule.
The only thing that taunts me is that I do a lot of low light photography; however, I never thought the HVX was as bad as its reputation.
We'll have to see how much better it is. I hope it turns out great, but I have a feeling that the new low light performance will be a minor upgrade.
I'm also eager to see anything in the way of software changes. The brochure mentions changes in the DSP. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the CCDs were virtually the same, and many of the improvements in low light and grain were in the DSP, more specifically a software upgrade for the DSP. Now, I'm fairly certain the DSP is controlled by the OS on the camera, which is upgradeable. So, if panny rolls this out with a quiet software upgrade for existing cameras, I'll bet an existing HVX would be very comparable to an HVX200a.
Maybe not.
Scarlett? , honey you home?
With no upgrade in resolution (at least from what it says), it will probably not inspire upgraders. But it also doesn't p**s off existing customers who may have just bought an HVX. Not a great silver lining, but I'm sure it's a thought that's occurred in the minds of those @ Panasonic.
To be honest, I think the HVX has a very distinct "look." And panny does not want to risk losing it by a drastic change in the imagers. Fixing low light, and grain is one thing, but once you swap out for even 1/2" chips, it's going to look very different. Better, maybe, but different.
I for one, am not that surprised, and even if this turns out to be fake, I think the real upgrade will be minuscule.
The only thing that taunts me is that I do a lot of low light photography; however, I never thought the HVX was as bad as its reputation.
We'll have to see how much better it is. I hope it turns out great, but I have a feeling that the new low light performance will be a minor upgrade.
I'm also eager to see anything in the way of software changes. The brochure mentions changes in the DSP. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the CCDs were virtually the same, and many of the improvements in low light and grain were in the DSP, more specifically a software upgrade for the DSP. Now, I'm fairly certain the DSP is controlled by the OS on the camera, which is upgradeable. So, if panny rolls this out with a quiet software upgrade for existing cameras, I'll bet an existing HVX would be very comparable to an HVX200a.
Maybe not.
Scarlett? , honey you home?
