Other: FX6 tease

Sony really have to get the FX6 specs out soon in order to get orders before 2021. It can't be more than a week or so I guess because then we are into November and that's a tight window to get them out before New Years.
 
Tom Roper said:
Doesn't the FS7 have custom mode besides just Cine-EI? On my F55 I can set color temperature in custom mode with SLog2/3.
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Oh, I know - am very aware of it. But let's not go down that worm hole (regarding how using slog in custom on FS7, etc, renders colors different than shooting Slog in CineEI).

What the A7sIII has (and I believe the FX9 ??) is ability to dial in any WB, and WB the camera while shooting in Slog3 cine. It also essentially has dual gain - with 640 & 12800 ISO choices. I am hoping to do some side by side comparisons later this week.
 
markfpv said:
Oh, I know - am very aware of it. But let's not go down that worm hole (regarding how using slog in custom on FS7, etc, renders colors different than shooting Slog in CineEI).

What the A7sIII has (and I believe the FX9 ??) is ability to dial in any WB, and WB the camera while shooting in Slog3 cine. It also essentially has dual gain - with 640 & 12800 ISO choices. I am hoping to do some side by side comparisons later this week.
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Sony has been telling us for years that preset WB in slog was a necessity to maximize sensor capabilities. Now they're changing their tune?
 
scorsesefan said:
Sony has been telling us for years that preset WB in slog was a necessity to maximize sensor capabilities. Now they're changing their tune?
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I know. Not exactly changing their tune, I suppose, because this has been available on the smaller mirrorless - like a6300, a 6400, etc for some time - but those didn't shoot 4:2:2 on intra codec internally!
Technically, no where on the a7sIII does it have a CineEI mode. But it does have same slog varieties available with same gamma curves in Picture Profiles (as do Sony's other mirrorless). And PP8 is Slog3 gamma with Sgamut3.cine color space. And you most certainly can do a white balance - either custom with gray or white card - or set the K at any temp between 2500k & 9900k or use any default one (ie warm Flo).

I haven't followed the FX9 that closely... any owners out there want to chime in if you can now WB in CineEi mode? Or is it still on S-cinetone and custom mode?
 
Yes Sony told us at first that you couldn't white balance in Slog because it would constrict the color range too much or however you want to express it. Likewise on the FS7 As I recall they only allowed LUT's in Cine EI because SGamut3 cine was the correct color gamut for Slog3. But I think they made LUTs available in Custom on the F5 & F55 in SGamut and they certainly allowed SLog 3 to shoot with a wide variety of gamuts in the A7 series.So maybe the perfect was the enemy of the damn well good enough and they finally figured that out for the FX9. That's my observation but I'm not privy to how Sony looks at it. I'm sure Alister Chapman would have a more knowledgeable take on it all.
 
Tom Roper said:
Doesn't the FS7 have custom mode besides just Cine-EI? On my F55 I can set color temperature in custom mode with SLog2/3.
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Yes it does Tom and I've used SLog2 quite frequently in Custom mode and set WB with no issues. A nice wide ranging Custom setting I use with my own Matrix settings. In fact we first used it to match Varicam LT that was shooting in V-LOG 709. Panasonic's version of LOG with 709 output.

Chris Young
 
The Czechs took the page down but €6000 is probably $6,000 (b/4 sales tax) in the US.
 
They'll probably match C70's price... What concerns me is a). If it has the same sensor as the FX9, the lower than expected DR performance and b). As a B-cam matching my FS7 to Sony's new color science...
 
scorsesefan said:
They'll probably match C70's price... What concerns me is a). If it has the same sensor as the FX9, the lower than expected DR performance and b). As a B-cam matching my FS7 to Sony's new color science...
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Sony probably doesn't want you hanging on to the FS7 to use as a B-cam
to the FX6. They probably either want you buying a FX6 as a B cam to a
FX9 or buying a A7Siii as a B cam to a FX6. People hanging onto
old cameras doesn't make Sony more money......
 
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alaskacameradude said:
Sony probably doesn't want you hanging on to the FS7 to use as a B-cam to the FX6. They probably either want you buying a FX6 as a B cam to a FX9 or buying a A7Siii as a B cam to a FX6. People hanging onto
old cameras doesn't make Sony more money...
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Plus, Sony must feel it has to respond to the recent deluge of the Canon models. I wouldn't be surprised if there were an FX-3 somewhere in development.*

*I invented the model number but .... if FX-6 is around $6,000, that Sony lineup still has room for something in a $3,000 range even if it occupies the same price territory as A7SIII. And it wouldn't be all that difficult to stick A6600 guts inside the FX-6 style body, give it a 10-bit GOP and market it as an entry level product.
 
alaskacameradude said:
Sony probably doesn't want you hanging on to the FS7 to use as a B-cam
to the FX6. They probably either want you buying a FX6 as a B cam to a
FX9 or buying a A7Siii as a B cam to a FX6. People hanging onto
old cameras doesn't make Sony more money......
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True. But in Sony's defense they have kept their color science consistent for many years (which may not be a good thing depending on where you stand on their CS)
 
The FX6 is different from the a7s III. I own an a7s III and find it about the best mirrorless video camera I've shot. But dedicated video cameras are different. Be patient and wait for FX6 if you want to compare specs and features. a7s III can be a remarkable video camera-- don't get me wrong. It depends upon your needs, shooting style and budget. Hang in there C100Scottie!
 
nsoltz said:
The FX6 is different from the a7s III. I own an a7s III and find it about the best mirrorless video camera I've shot. But dedicated video cameras are different. Be patient and wait for FX6 if you want to compare specs and features. a7s III can be a remarkable video camera-- don't get me wrong. It depends upon your needs, shooting style and budget. Hang in there C100Scottie!
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Interesting. The A7sIII has pretty much everything I want
except the built in variable ND. I was hoping the FX6 would
be an A7SIII with variable Nd. I do understand that would
possibly infringe on the FX9. But how to make the FX6
better than the A7SIII and not as good as the FX9?
Tough challenge for Sony. So if the FX6 is ‘different’ than
the A7SIII, I wish they would just at least announce the
specs so I could make a decision what to buy.....
 
They won't need to do much if it's around $5K, $6K. Add ND, don't provide too much information in the codecs, crop the sensor at 60p, and it sits there between the a7SIII and FX9 with features spread out between all models (as they always are).
 
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