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I'm not sure, but I don't know why anyone would make S35 sensor cameras anymore unless the sensor is extremely special.

IMO, everything should be full-frame with crop modes like other non-Japanese companies have been doing for many years (although Sony's mirrorless' should receive credit for FF/S35 switchable modes on some of the various a7/R options since 2015).
 
I don't know where you guys see 'mechanical', but the photo shows a 'ND Variable' wheel. And + and - buttons.

Just saw the response above...yeah, that's 99.9% wrong.
 
There are some things companies can and can't do...

Moving forward...they can make cameras S35 and 8-bit (preferably not though) and people would still by them for other features (like the ones below).

But they cannot (in Sony's case) remove the electronic ND, have no 4K/60p, and have no good AF.

No one would buy it unless it was maybe 500 bucks.
 
NorBro said:
I'm not sure, but I don't know why anyone would make S35 sensor cameras anymore unless the sensor is extremely special.

IMO, everything should be full-frame with crop modes like other non-Japanese companies have been doing for many years (although Sony's mirrorless' should receive credit for FF/S35 switchable modes on some of the various a7/R options since 2015).
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Aren't the AA filters optimized for a certain sensor size/resolution? Despite the advantages of crop mode, isn't there a penalty paid in using a S35 crop as opposed to a proper S35 sensor if one wants to shoot S35? Just sayin
 
Whose work using a camera like this is important enough that it would really make any difference? (It's pixel-peeping on another level.)

I mean...I'm all for critical thinking (even if it's annoying, lol), but people produce gorgeous images despite any so-called "penalties" from various cameras.

And it depends on how they make the camera. The a7RII (or one of them) had the better 4K in its S35 mode.

And they could make interchangeable filters (4 screws) like RED and Z Cam, but wouldn't.
 
Sure. But you said I dont know why and I'm just giving you a reason why: optimization for the format. Would I like to be able to shoot 4k crop on my A7SIII as I could on the S1? Yes.
 
Optimization for the format is a good reason, but it's more of an ARRI reason for the 1%, IMO.

Not a $5000-ish prosumer Sony reason.

This camera needs marketing, not optimization.
 
I agree with you. But there's a bit more wiggle room at this price tier. The UMP 12K ships with PL mount standard for $10k or whatever. Komodo for roughly half that is also S35. And most if not all of those buyers will pixel peep the camera before making a selection, and they're also typically interested in maximizing IQ instead of sacrificing it for speed and convenience. Or even P6K buyers, for that matter. I mean, I've been arguing with S5 buyers who have a near-religious aversion to using AF.

But yeah - Sony's approach is definitely the opposite. And even a guy like me who was pretty skeptical about things like in-camera distortion correction has learned to stop worrying and love the results from my sigma 24-70, which I know from reviews has worse barrel distortion than I care for.

So, I think you're right about Sony. But there are many other buyers in this price tier who are opposed to their priorities/philosophy. And they're not 1%ers.
 
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Full-frame and higher than 4K resolutions have a long way to go...so I don't think BM and the 12K and RED and the 6K had much of a choice (especially RED who's not going to sell you a FF 6K camera at that price).

The general pattern I have seen over the years is Blackmagic users usually stick with BM cameras and RED users usually stick with RED cameras. Or those two groups flip from one to the other.

And occasionally you'll have someone leaving one of those companies and buying something like a C300 Mark III as their needs or business have changed.

And then there is a constant recycling of customers with the big three. Hoping from one to the other - back and forth year after year - which is exactly how the Japanese system is supposed to operate. But many now only see Sony and Canon as options (while Panasonic users who don't use AF or are oblivious to how good it is these days are very happy with their own options).

My thoughts about the FX6 definitely pertain to what I think Sony users would like to see in it (or those on the Canon fence).

Because if they make it a S35 sensor for around the same price as the C70, they will lose this battle. But if it's $1500 cheaper then they may have a great camera but then what about the a7SIII?

So I think anyone interested in a FX6 really wants a mini FX9 (even if it has that 1.2x crop for 60p and never has true FF recording but is offset with ND filters, XLRs, and a proper body with buttons and switches for a couple thousand more than the a7SIII).
 
Once again, I largely agree. But just to nitpick -

Some people (Grug) have expressed hope that the FX6 is a mega A7SIII instead of a mini FX9. They like the A7SIII features and just want a sturdier body more conducive to film production. Whereas the FX9 underwhelms on frame rates and RAW out, etc. Probably worse in low light. And those folks are totally willing to live without S35 4K crop
 
It's possible but then it would be closer to $8K-$9K, IMO.

That is a FS7III.

A $5K-ish camera can't be that good unless it's from Blackmagic.
 
^ Oh Ned. Don't be a tease. I'm trying out an a7sIII right now - trying to decide on what my next step is...
(pretty off topic - but it's very interesting to me that the $3500 mirrorless delivers custom white balancing in slog and many other features we all were requesting for our FS7's back when they were fairly new).
 
markfpv said:
^ Oh Ned. Don't be a tease. I'm trying out an a7sIII right now - trying to decide on what my next step is...
(pretty off topic - but it's very interesting to me that the $3500 mirrorless delivers custom white balancing in slog and many other features we all were requesting for our FS7's back when they were fairly new).
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Doesn't the FS7 have custom mode besides just Cine-EI? On my F55 I can set color temperature in custom mode with SLog2/3.
 
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