C200: CFast compatability - Cards that support VPG-130

In a nutshell, the engineer from Transcend told me that their cards wouldn't work in the C200. But if you want to try, feel free. VPG-130 is the standard, if your cards don't meet it, not going to work.
 
EgoDisk sent an email out today stating that the new 256GB EgoDisk ELITE CF2 cards are available. I'm assuming they'd present the same issues that some found in the 512gb cards, and it doesn't seem worth it to pay more when the 'lesser' 256GB EgoDisk PRO CF2 cards work great. Has EgoDisk addressed the issue with the 512gb cards yet?
 
davekratz said:
EgoDisk sent an email out today stating that the new 256GB EgoDisk ELITE CF2 cards are available. I'm assuming they'd present the same issues that some found in the 512gb cards, and it doesn't seem worth it to pay more when the 'lesser' 256GB EgoDisk PRO CF2 cards work great. Has EgoDisk addressed the issue with the 512gb cards yet?
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Because The c200 uses ex-fat as formatting system there is a issue with larger volumes and or cards with large amount of files.
With ex-fat the camera needs to read the entire format-table into memory to know were it is able to write new footage to.
With the 512GBcards the c200 sometimes times-out during the reading of the format-table and reports "no-card" or "no files on card" scary right?
However when you power-cycle the camera,turn it off and on again, clears the memory and usually the card registers as normal and your good to go.
It can also happen with 256cards but less likely because the camera more often has enough time/memory to process the format-table.
 
avian said:
Because The c200 uses ex-fat as formatting system there is a issue with larger volumes and or cards with large amount of files.
With ex-fat the camera needs to read the entire format-table into memory to know were it is able to write new footage to.
With the 512GBcards the c200 sometimes times-out during the reading of the format-table and reports "no-card" or "no files on card" scary right?
However when you power-cycle the camera,turn it off and on again, clears the memory and usually the card registers as normal and your good to go.
It can also happen with 256cards but less likely because the camera more often has enough time/memory to process the format-table.
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Really? Interesting. I have a 2 year old BMPC that can record about 108000 files to a terabyte SSD in an hour and it never misses a beat. I have a 2TB SSD for it that has never complained either.
I know it's apples and oranges, BM and Canon...but...just seems interesting to me. (And the BM is writing at 2x the speed of the C200 and they're both running exFAT.)
 
it's not that ex-fat can't record many files or support large volumes ,it's how the camera makes resources available for it.
the canon c200 is a lot more complex as the bmpc, with a lot more processes being shuffled around in memory ,dpaf with tracking etc.
It could be that canon underestimated the timings and is able to fix it in firmware,at the time of release/development there were no 512GB cfast cards.
I haven't been able to reproduce this issue with 128GB and 256GBcards and don't know if there is some protocol difference between ssd and cfast.


It's not only egodisk 512GB cards that experience this issue,i'm currently testing a series of cards from angelbird and their 512GB card experiences this as well.
they have pointed canon to the issues with ex-fat but maybe we could ad it to our wish list as well
 
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So our C200 came in, and my Biwin 128 GB card seems to be working totally fine. They're impossible to buy anymore, it seems (their American email won't send reply) so maybe they're manufacturing for someone else, but if you have some of those old CFast cards so far so good in terms of no buffering out or anything like that. They were meant for Blackmagic RAW so it figures.
 
IanTheM said:
So our C200 came in, and my Biwin 128 GB card seems to be working totally fine. They're impossible to buy anymore, it seems (their American email won't send reply) so maybe they're manufacturing for someone else, but if you have some of those old CFast cards so far so good in terms of no buffering out or anything like that. They were meant for Blackmagic RAW so it figures.
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Small warning regarding Biwin cards they can drop below the required data-rate sometimes they are fine other times you'll get a buffer-overrun error and recording will stop.
i had this with my 256GB biwin card and was able to make this visible with hdtune pro

1st run all is fine
biwin 1strun 256GB .jpg

second run oeps...
biwin 2nd run 256GB .jpg

I did 2 more runs after this and all was fine.
Real world testing in the c200 shooting the full length of the card.
1st run buffer-overrun after 18min
2nd run it recorded the full 33min
 
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avian said:
Small warning regarding Biwin cards they can drop below the required data-rate sometimes they are fine other times you'll get a buffer-overrun error and recording will stop.
i had this with my 256GB biwin card and was able to make this visible with hdtune pro

I did 2 more runs after this and all was fine.
Real world testing in the c200 shooting the full length of the card.
1st run buffer-overrun after 18min
2nd run it recorded the full 33min
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What this is telling me is I wouldn't touch those cards with the C200. I ran into the same with the SD cards, my old C100 Transcend cards worked fine for half a dozen shoots. Then gave me the buffer overrun warning in the middle of a high profile shoot. THankfully I was shooting dual cards so all was well with the shoot, I had a back up. But for CFast cards, just use the 256GB EgoDisks, they work great and are cheap.
 
puredrifting said:
What this is telling me is I wouldn't touch those cards with the C200. I ran into the same with the SD cards, my old C100 Transcend cards worked fine for half a dozen shoots. Then gave me the buffer overrun warning in the middle of a high profile shoot. THankfully I was shooting dual cards so all was well with the shoot, I had a back up. But for CFast cards, just use the 256GB EgoDisks, they work great and are cheap.
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Yeah, darn that sucks I won't be able to use this Biwin card, but it's good that EgoDisk exists too. I haven't stress tested the card enough times to know whether it'd fail, but it's not worth the bet.
 
avian said:
Because The c200 uses ex-fat as formatting system there is a issue with larger volumes and or cards with large amount of files.
With ex-fat the camera needs to read the entire format-table into memory to know were it is able to write new footage to.
With the 512GBcards the c200 sometimes times-out during the reading of the format-table and reports "no-card" or "no files on card" scary right?
However when you power-cycle the camera,turn it off and on again, clears the memory and usually the card registers as normal and your good to go.
It can also happen with 256cards but less likely because the camera more often has enough time/memory to process the format-table.
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Would this mean that there would be the same issue with a cfast to Sata SSD cable solution, if the door issue could be resolved ?
 
Sony just announced new CFast cards that they specifically say work with the C200.

According to a press release from Sony, "As well as ultra-fast read and write speeds, the new CFast cards support VPG130 for reliable recording of Cinema-grade or high-bitrate 4K video. A minimum sustained write speed of 130MB/s is guaranteed, making the new media ideal for stable recording of professional grade 4K video, such as Cinema RAW light mode with Canon C200 video cameras."
LINK: https://nofilmschool.com/2017/11/sony-cfast-cards
 
Fahnon said:
Sony just announced new CFast cards that they specifically say work with the C200.

According to a press release from Sony, "As well as ultra-fast read and write speeds, the new CFast cards support VPG130 for reliable recording of Cinema-grade or high-bitrate 4K video. A minimum sustained write speed of 130MB/s is guaranteed, making the new media ideal for stable recording of professional grade 4K video, such as Cinema RAW light mode with Canon C200 video cameras."
LINK: https://nofilmschool.com/2017/11/sony-cfast-cards
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That's great. I was just about to buy a Sony FS7 because I was frustrated with the CFast offerings for the C200, but now that Sony is selling a CFast card for the C200 I'll buy the C200 instead.
 
Fahnon said:
Sony just announced new CFast cards that they specifically say work with the C200.

According to a press release from Sony, "As well as ultra-fast read and write speeds, the new CFast cards support VPG130 for reliable recording of Cinema-grade or high-bitrate 4K video. A minimum sustained write speed of 130MB/s is guaranteed, making the new media ideal for stable recording of professional grade 4K video, such as Cinema RAW light mode with Canon C200 video cameras."
LINK: https://nofilmschool.com/2017/11/sony-cfast-cards
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Sony 128GB max at $350.00 when I can get the 256GB EgoDisk cards at $299.00, where do I sign up?
 
My curiosity is killing me. I just ordered two more of the EgoDisk 256GB CFast 2.0 for my C200 since they have been bulletproof with CRL so far but I am intrigued by saving another $35.00 per card. Who will be the first to try the Freetail Evoke 3700X at $265.00? They claim VPG130 speed rated and there is really no risk as Amazon's return policy is so good. Next round of cards I order, i will throw one of these into the mix for fun, just to torture test it and see how it does.

https://www.amazon.com/FreeTail-EVO...8-1-spons&keywords=Freetail+Evoke+3700x&psc=1
 
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