C200: CFast compatability - Cards that support VPG-130

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Fahnon

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I contacted Canon directly today and they confirmed that the C200 RAW recording will only work with CFast 2.0 cards that support Video Performance Guarantee 130 (VPG-130). Sandisk seems to be the only card manufacturer that advertises VPG-130, however there are others that do support it I'm finding.

Canon UK has published a list of approved cards (credit to fhammond for finding):
https://www.canon.co.uk/support/con...r_products/content/faq/?itemid=tcm:14-1591125
Only Sandisk and specifically the Lexar 3500x. No surprises there and I doubt they're even aware of smaller brands like egodisk. When I contacted Canon, they told me directly that the only requirement is VPG-130.


LIST OF CARDS:

Sandisk - YES - Advertises VPG-130 support (525MB/s, NOT the 515MB/s version)
Lexar - YES - Confirmed support on the 3500x cards, but strangely not the presumably faster 3600x cards are VPG-130. I contacted them directly, and the tech I spoke to was confident the 3600x cards would work, but would not guarantee it when pressed. He/she also noted that only the 3500x cards are on Canon UK's approved card list. LINK: http://www.lexar.com/products/memory-cards/cfast/Lexar-Professional-3500x-CFast-2-card.html
EgoDisk - YES - I contacted them directly and they promptly responded with the following (as of 8/1/2017): "Yes EgoDisk is VPG-130 but please note we haven't tested on on c200 yet."
They now advertise VPG-130.
Delkin - NO - No VPG-130 support. In their response to me they did note that they are actively working on it, and expect to have support in the next few weeks. Whether that means new cards or getting certification for the current cards is anyone's guess.
Komputerbay - YES - Komputerbay responded that their cards do in fact support VPG-130. They are also on Blackmagic's approved card list for shooting full res RAW.
Trancend - NO - No VPG-130 support. Transcend directly responded with the following: "I am sorry to report that we do not have a CFast card that is VPG-130 compliant."
Wise - YES - At least in 512GB capacity: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYxAE1rnXrl/

If anyone else has any suggestions for manufacturers, I'll contact them and post here.

UPDATE: EgoDisk is now advertising VPG-130! It could just be my memory, but I'm pretty sure I looked and didn't see it here:
https://www.amazon.com/EgoDisk-Blac.../B072BTWJH5/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501634614

UPDATE 2: I've heard back from Delkin and Komputerbay and updated the list accordingly. I've also added the approved card list from Canon UK that fhammond posted (thanks!).
 
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Thanks for the info. I'd asked Canon a similar question. They said they didn't have any information yet about cards that have been tested with the C200. In a way, I'll be glad if they don't: the point of a standard like VPG-130 is that Canon shouldn't have to test individual cards. Let's hope that's true with the C200.

Here's the CFast certified list for the C300 Mark II: https://support.usa.canon.com/kb/index?page=content&id=ART162342

Given what you've found out about VPG-130 support, the EgoDisk 512 GB card (or, rather, two of them for the price of two SanDisk 256 GB cards!) sounds like it might be a good choice. It's a bummer the C200 doesn't have two CFast slots; I'd be a lot more inclined to try a cheap card if I could pair it with an expensive card.
 
fhammond said:
Thanks for the info. I'd asked Canon a similar question. They said they didn't have any information yet about cards that have been tested with the C200. In a way, I'll be glad if they don't: the point of a standard like VPG-130 is that Canon shouldn't have to test individual cards. Let's hope that's true with the C200.

Here's the CFast certified list for the C300 Mark II: https://support.usa.canon.com/kb/index?page=content&id=ART162342

Given what you've found out about VPG-130 support, the EgoDisk 512 GB card (or, rather, two of them for the price of two SanDisk 256 GB cards!) sounds like it might be a good choice. It's a bummer the C200 doesn't have two CFast slots; I'd be a lot more inclined to try a cheap card if I could pair it with an expensive card.
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Yes EgoDisk is now my plan A. I'll be going for 3x 256GB cards now. Still, I'll buy from a place with a good return policy just in case. And yeah it'd be nice to be able to buy any VPG-130 card and not have to worry about compatibility.
 
Presuming EgoDisk cards work and that they're going to be producing enough units - it's a very small market - to be in stock, one doesn't really need a dozen brands to compete here. Besides, all these companies must be gearing up for the CFexpress cards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFexpress
 
DLD said:
Presuming EgoDisk cards work and that they're going to be producing enough units - it's a very small market - to be in stock, one doesn't really need a dozen brands to compete here. Besides, all these companies must be gearing up for the CFexpress cards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFexpress
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I went ahead bought one of the egodisk cards. When I was emailing with them, they mentioned that they are selling as many as they can produce.
 
Fahnon said:
I went ahead bought one of the egodisk cards. When I was emailing with them, they mentioned that they are selling as many as they can produce.
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Ok, I'm in. Just bought two of them. Hopefully my C200 will arrive during the next 14 days so I can test the cards and return them if necessary.
 
Has EgoDisk stated why they don't recommend the Lexar CR1 and CR2 CFast readers? I have both readers and they've both worked wonderfully with everything I've thrown at them (Transcend, Lexar, SanDisk, Delkin and A-Data to date). It always gives me pause when an upstart company says "our cards are awesome except don't use them with <some established piece of gear>" without a pretty decent explanation why it's not their card causing the issue by being non-compliant in some way.

It's like a brand new HDD manufacturer saying "don't use our HDD with Macs"... what is it about your hard drive or the Mac that causes them to be incompatible? There should be no issues if you're both adhering to the spec... and if I'm going to assume someone's out of spec, it's going to be the brand new storage provider, not Apple.
 
jbregar said:
Has EgoDisk stated why they don't recommend the Lexar CR1 and CR2 CFast readers? I have both readers and they've both worked wonderfully with everything I've thrown at them (Transcend, Lexar, SanDisk, Delkin and A-Data to date). It always gives me pause when an upstart company says "our cards are awesome except don't use them with <some established piece of gear>" without a pretty decent explanation why it's not their card causing the issue by being non-compliant in some way.

It's like a brand new HDD manufacturer saying "don't use our HDD with Macs"... what is it about your hard drive or the Mac that causes them to be incompatible? There should be no issues if you're both adhering to the spec... and if I'm going to assume someone's out of spec, it's going to be the brand new storage provider, not Apple.
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Not that I'm aware of. I posted the same question earlier today via Amazon.com page for EgoDisk but haven't yet received a reply. Someone had asked a similar question - what CFast card readers they recommend. They replied to that but someone else also replied saying that their Lexar CFast reader (which is what I've also got) worked fine. If I don't hear from EgoDisk or they reply with a good reason, I'll get a new reader but I'm hoping they reply and change their original recommendation. It's small potatoes, money-wise but I've been 100% happy with the Lexar CFast reader I've got.
 
I saw that same Amazon comment section and EGODisk stated that they wouldn't recommend the Lexar Cfast reader for any manufacturer's card. They seem to just dislike the Lexar reader in general.

I looked at their website and they are using MLC flash. The more expensive cards use flash that is supposed last for more cycles. I don't know if it matters for camera cards that aren't being overwritten continuously. Where are they actually sourcing their memory? I'm wondering if it is the same as Transcends CFX600 cards.
 
kinda pointless if everything is out of stock? is it safe to assume angelbird is made in germany? anyone know where egodisk is manufactured?

abit off topic, can someone crunch some math and tell me how long can i record on 4k 4:2:0 8 bit using a 64gb/128 sd card? also assuming i record 2k proxy out of the canon raw light, how much footage can a 64gb/128 sd card fit?
 
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Lexar isn't "going out of business" as much as refocusing on manufacturing the proprietary Micron products. CFast/2.0/CFexpress are based on the coalition specs, where there's always a race for the bottom and that always favors the Chinese manufacturers.
 
fhammond said:
Canon UK has published a list of C200 compatible CFast 2.0 cards:

https://www.canon.co.uk/support/con...r_products/content/faq/?itemid=tcm:14-1591125

Hopefully they'll test out some of the lower-cost cards but I'm not holding my breath.
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Thanks! I've added this list to the OP. I've also heard back from Delkin and Komputerbay, and while Delkin is a no-go for now, Komputerbay says they do support VPG-130 and they're also on the Blackmagic list of approved CFast 2.0 cards. Seems like they're a solid option too.
 
I suspect that all of the lower cost CFast 2.0 cards are just rebranded MLC flash and probably all sourced from the same manufacturer. Does anybody know?
 
CFAST Cards for Canon C200 In Stock at Sandisk Store

CFAST Cards for Canon C200 In Stock at Sandisk Store

I just spoke to Sandisk about availability their CFAST cards.

Sandisk expects that availability will continued to be constrained for several months due to the Lexar exit from the marketplace.

Sandisk has 64GB & 128GB CFAST cards in stock if you need a cards immediately:

Sandisk SDCFSP-064G-A46D Extreme Pro CFast™ 2.0 (525MB/s) Memory Card - 64GB
$289.99
http://shop.sandisk.com/store/sdiskus/en_US/pd/productID.5124941100

SanDisk SDCFSP-128G-A46D Extreme Pro CFast™ 2.0 (525MB/s) Memory Card - 128GB
$499.99
http://shop.sandisk.com/store/sdiskus/en_US/pd/productID.5124941200

We've added the Canon UK list of qualified cards to the specs tab of the C200 & C200B product pages:

Canon C200 Camera Body with EVF, LCD & Grip 2215C002 $7499

Canon C200B Body (No EVF, LCD, Grip, or Handle) $5999

C200 24-105mm II Lens Kit 2244C002 $8399

Canon C200 Body + 18-80mm Compact-Servo Lens Kit $12598.05

Canon C200B Body + 18-80mm Compact-Servo Lens Kit $11,198.05

Canon C200B Accessories $199 - $699

 
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